What a tragic experience you have endured. I am so sorry you should ever have been treated this way. Don't feel the least bit guilty about not answering the door. It is absolutely your right to choose either to answer the doorbell or the telephone. Neither one should ever have any demands upon us. I understand the desire to just avert discussions with them - there is rarely any happy resolution to the hurts and pain suffered because these people have one agenda and one agenda only - to get you back within the fold. When you feel up to it and have the strength you can just quietly tell them straight out you would like to be just left alone currently but I doubt they would give you the respect you deserve and leave the matter at that so your avoidance at the moment is probably the best action to take even tho it is so irritating to be constantly badgered like this. You may try not hiding but also not responding to the door - just shaking your head and waving them on. Frankly I am not sure how that would play out but at least it would give you a sense of honesty without having to take any DRASTIC decision making stands at the moment.
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I'm an HBH
by Lunatic Faith ini have received two visits from car-groups this week and am trying not to freak out.
i think it is because the co's visit is coming up.
i have been home-but-hiding both times.
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The Psychopathic Clown Parade. Updated Reports.
by villabolo ini will be posting videos and articles where ultra right wing hatemongers spew some new insanity.
i know, they seem to be running out of new ideas and are desperately trying to get more creative every day.
but they sure do try their best.. now, for my first instalment.. it seems that the prince of clowns, glenn beck, is not being too creative after all.
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saltyoldlady
Very very interesting. I've been meaning to investigate what Glen Beck is up to. Now the picture is crystal clear. I notice there is also a DVD by Schnoebelen exposing him on different lines but have not yet seen it - have you?
By the way I've enjoyed many of Alex Jones productions. Thank you for this first installment.
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Blind Allegiance to G.B. supported by scripture?
by honorsthesis inhey everyone,.
i have been getting in on going debates with brothers in the congregation about the role of the governing body.
i feel that jehovah would not want us to blindly follow a particular g.b.
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saltyoldlady
You don't honestly think you are ever going to win a debate with them, do you? If so you are operating in the "Land of Illusion" my dear Honersthesis. If you want out just walk. It's so much more dignified than being "kicked out." Even if it is fun creating trouble.
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Welcome back Outlaw!
by life is to short inwe missed you.
glad you are back things were not the same without you.. lits.
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saltyoldlady
So happy you're BACK - love your graphics - this place is just not the same without them. If you lived nearby I'd be asking you to teach me HOW - old dogs CAN learn new tricks. I'm a goin ta try.
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Why Would YOU Never Go Back To The Witnesses?
by minimus ini think my mains reasons would be i don't believe they have "truth".
and i refuse to allow them control over me..
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saltyoldlady
I could never go back because I want to worship Jehovah with SPIRIT AND TRUTH. Both of these are missing in the WTS.
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New member - my story
by Millions injust a brief introduction, i thought i would try out one of the more established forums, have done some stuff on youtube and other places but thought i would give this a try.. potted history: raised jw by mother, in it for 30 years or so, baptised at age 18, regular pioneer at 20, ms a couple years later, mts at 26 and got assignment to a new cong, elder at around 29, came off pioneering around 31, came off as elder around 32, started to slowly wind down, completely stopped attending about 3 years ago, disassociated dec 2010. pause for breath.. the last 5 years or so have been a painfully gradual process of deconstructing myself and then piecing together fragments of my shattered life that are still valid outside the organisation.
the question 'who am i?
' has been a continual investigation; every day for the first couple of years i would realise another subject or issue that i didn't have my own opinions about.
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saltyoldlady
Welcome Millions - And thank you for sharing your story and the video. We share so many of the same observations - in particular the one you had about realizing right or wrong I don't want to spend eternity with this bunch - that was so real for me also - those inside the WTS seem to become a bunch of robots - friendships never seem quite REAL and spiritual JOY is so rare among them. I chose much the same route as you - a gradual slacking off and then a formal DA letter. Making a clean and clear break was so vital for my own sense of integrity. I can only tell you it gets increasingly better - there will be days you miss a few special friends and I stop to pray for them - and I try to remember the positive things - there were some - and to be grateful for those - bitterness is never a nice companion. But my spiritual life has soared now that I am free to pursue what is meaningful for me from the Bible's pages and at my own pace. You will find yourself pulling closer to God than you ever thought possible. Glad to have you aboardd!
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Here's one more free mind...
by Pika_Chu inhey, here's one more free mind.
i've been researching and reading posts here and finally decided to join.
i have to say i'm grateful for this site.
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saltyoldlady
Welcome - so happy you have joined us. I too felt like you upon discovering this group - so nice to find a place where we can be REAL with one another. Looking forward to your future posts.
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How were Rutherford's Cadillacs purchased?
by InterestedOne ini mentioned rutherford's cadillacs to my study conductor, and he said maybe rutherford was able to purchase them because he was independently wealthy.
were they purchased from his own personal wealth or with the wt funds?.
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saltyoldlady
A story that was shared with me many long years ago was that someone who had become very very wealthy via ownership of Coca Cola bottling rights - sold for a small royalty fee per bottle - in those days they actually used glass bottles - became converted to the WTS - think he may have lived back in Iowa somewhere because this elder that knew him hailed from that area - and he delighted in giving Rutherford "gifts" as well as donating large sums of money to the WTS - he probably thought this was a manner in which he could serve God and it was apparently easy enough for him to do - I remember also being told his daughter worked for Rutherford as a secretary - wondering if that could have been Bonnie Boyd. Someone who knows how to research these things can probably verify all this for us - because for me it is simply part of the rumor mill - but if this is so the old man was able to keep an eye on how his monies were being used that way obviously, a savvy move and as I remember he provided the money for the mansion. That Bonnie's husband's name would be on the deed makes sense if this is the case.
Anyway it always tickles my funny bone when I think about the fact that Coca Cola money helped finance the WTS empire - because I view Coca Cola as one of the devil's inventions. Just kidding but it doesn't truthfully contribute to anyone's physical health and the original formula did contain cocaine. The formula was on Yahoo news channel not too long ago. Think the drug was eliminated in about 1904 or something like that. But that history makes it even more amusing.
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Song- "we're Jehovah's Witnesses" in honor of this weeks WT study
by stuckinamovement inthis was the last song of the service meeting this week.
the new version sounds like a death march anthem.
the melody has changed and i think the words have also.. i truly used to like that song and it was one of the first song's i could sing as a kid.
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So glad to see this thread - and know that I am not the only one who felt the new songs ARE DREADFUL. Did anyone notice they took out the best stanza of We Thank You Jehovah - the one that goes "We thank you, Jehovah for our brotherhood, Where we find companions both true and good, We thank you for giving us your active force, your Spirit which helps us to hold our course."
Maybe somebody had to choke on those words - maybe the great crowd wasn't supposed to be born of the Spirit or have His active force????????? I know they tried to just cut everything down to three stanza's but why cut out this verse that actually had some feeling in it -
And I have analyzed and re-examined the music again and again trying to figure out what it is exactly that is wrong - yes they tried to cut the range of notes covered which was probably a good idea but now it gives me the feeling of "mezmerization" - not even the beauty of an old fashion chanting of the dark ages - but there is just something spiritually wrong - and I can't put my finger on it - almost like they are just trying to get everybody to say ohmmmmm together and nothing else. Even kind of nasal like too.
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Method for Identifying the Faithful Slave & Channel of God's Truth
by saltyoldlady inbarks & snorts - is their major means of communication barks and snorts?
matt 7:6 - "do not give holy things to dogs nor cast pearls before swine lest they trample them under their feet and turn and rip you open.
my application of the above - my loyalty to an org might be considered a "holy thing".
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You made me laugh - indeed I did - those were the "very words" used in the letter rejecting my truths submitted to them.