Posts by CUTAWAY

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ExJWs and NonJWs Ask: Should I Try to Change My Mate?

by pirata in

jw
friends

i put this together more as a collection of my thoughts.

i would appreciate hearing your thoughts, disagreements, rebuttals, etc on this subject as it has been weighing a lot on my mind lately:.

after reading a lot of heart-breaking stories over the years on this message forum about mates who no longer believe in the jw religion, the common thread seems to be a desire to get the jw mate to see the same thing; with usually dissapointing results.. i am currently of the opinion that maybe the best thing is not to try to change your mate's religion.

CUTAWAY

When I was a member of the Organization, (39 years), I remember every situation like this being given the same scriptural admonition;, "Win your wife/husband over, without a word".

The end results of 10, 20 , 30 years of this spriitual "silent treatment", can be alienation, unhappiness, wasted lives, and many times, the death of what God had joined together.

When married persons inter into a religion, they are , or should be made aware of the possible future issues that can, and probably will result when one disagrees with a portion, or all of the teachings of another's religion. Hindsight is truly 20-20.

The problem I have seen with Jehovah's witnesses is this; Regardless of the differences between husband or wife, the Witnesses never yield thier position, and the offended mate is eventually ousted, ignored, or exchanged for another, by indifference, intolerance, and impatience.

Inevitably, one of the mates seeks a release from the other, and that is when, after a time, fornication/pornea usually occurs. The "innocent" mate 9 times out of 10, is the Witness. The witnesses have a support group that most would envy, right or wrong, they are there for the remaining member, many times with an "available" replacement mate in the wings, while the one leaving is viewed as " was just not one of us", and also never received any loving assistance or help. It is this indifference to the marriage vows, that makes Jehovah's Witnesses guilty, at least in my mind, of coming between the God-sanctified relationship known as marriage.

I have also seen cases where the non-witness mate is cornered, attacked by the "friends", and over time is pushed into an emotional state of rebellion against the Witnesses, and a divorce is approved by the elder-body due to "endangerment to the spiritual life of the remaining Witness".

Ultimately, it is the leaving mate who is truly damaged, but who is also truly enlightened. One's "Christian conscience" is of greater worth than the losing of oneself to an unloving mate, a dominating organization, or brand of religious views.

Everyone wants to persue happiness and religious freedom. It is the ones promising this freedom, that when they fail to provide it, who will be responsible for the crushed and disassociated lives of millions of people. Anyone of us could be next, if you are not careful of who you put your trust in.....surely not, in "earthling man!"

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Protests of January 21, 22

by Cthulhu in

jw
friends

some, if not most, of you are aware, i am sure, that a two day peaceful protest aimed at the discrimination techniques of the watchtower society are being planned internationally for january 21 and 22. letter writing has been suggested as a supplement to signs and marchers.

this seems a useful opportunity for those on this board who still have access to their congregation directory to send letters anonymously to those within their own hall.

information about these two days of "special activity" as well as sample letters can be found at http://christianwitnesses.com/id346.html..

CUTAWAY

After reading an article today, from one of the JW-Witness-approved sites, about a young woman who refused to wear a "santa's helper" hat while wraping christmas packages.....(that should have also been an issue for them), she filed discrimination and persecution charges against her former employee for monetary remuneration........I had a thought...here it is;

It is with great interest that a large number of "self-disassociated" or "dis-fellowshipped" Ex-Jehovah's witnesses follow stories of persecution and discrimination such as these.
After being a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses for 39 years, all the time lauding the Watchtower Organization's success, as it won numerous legal cases involving the "Human-rights" of it's followers.
I must confess that their position of complaint in cases such as this one, now turns my stomach.

The TRUE hypocracy that has emerged from this "Organization" regards the discrimination against any members who have decided to "leave the Jehovah's Witness religion". In the minds of many, this nullifies, and negates the seriousness or persecutorial claims of unjust treatment by JW's against their former and present employers.

Most of these types of mundane claims of job-related persecution/discrimination, are ended with a cash settlement to the Jehovah's Witnesses, on a personal basis.
They are paid in full for their pain, therefore it nullifies any claims of persecution they are also holding on to.

The truly "persecuted" ones, are the ex-members, who, after changing their beliefs, decided to leave because of matters of Christian Conscience, and they have been subject to loss of familial correspondance, business loss, health loss, social humiliation, and depression...all because they decided they did not believe as the Jehovah's Witnesses do.

The "Watchtower Society" has demanded that their remaining members shun, and literally HATE all members that leave, regardless of the reason. Now THIS, when compared to wearing a santa's helper hat, is true religious persecution, and discrimination.

We, the undersigned, do not ask for financial remuneration.
We ask for justice.
We ask that all who are reading this post, research this religion, The Jehovah's Witnesses, and make a dispassionate judgement as to the rightfulness of their stance on shunning ex-members, when compared to the freedom of choice and happines they promise before undergoing membership.

We forgive the innocent ones that follow this "against-Christ" like hatred, and ask that they realise the hurt, and pain they are promalgating.

We ask that if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses reading this, to "make sure of all things" regarding the orders you are receiving from your leaders...are they truly reflecting Jesus Christ's Spirit and love?, and are you not going to be held accountable for persecuting persons on this earth, regardless of what they believe, or don't??

"When the wolves were in the sheep-pen, they did not follow the few that escaped..."

Thank you.

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Danger JWs, your KH is falling apart in front of your eyes!

by moshe in

jw
friends

it seems to me that the kh's in many areas have lost the critical mass they need to stay healthy and to expand.

loss of their youth and loss of ministerial servants makes it obvious that these khs are doomed.

maybe not this year, but before this decade is out we will see many closings and subsequent mergers of kh's to the point that it is obvious to jws that they have become a has-been religion.

CUTAWAY

Thanks to all of you, who dedicated time and love, and heart to the exposing of this incredible travesty, and to Ray Franz for his fearless and eloquently written expose on the WT, the modern day "Man Of Lawlessness" is nearly revealed.

The "restraint" has been removed, and the sheep are escaping from the pens, and the wolves are not able to follow...Pray for the meek ones left ...they are, some of them, very innocent, just very victimized...have a room, and a meal ready for them when they arrive...but lock the wolves out!!

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What is this overlapping generation crap?

by sinis in

can someone provide a picture of the article that talks about this?

would love to share this with one remaining family member... thanks!.