Just to add, I liked the first part of the video that Mouthy posted at http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/208420/1/FREEMASONS-and-Pastor-Russell which prominently features FREEMASON Pastor Russell's tomb stone.
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FREEMASONS and Pastor Russell
by satinka inspeaking of the supernatural... if you do not already fully understand the beginning and development of the freemasons you might want to watch this 2005 series of videos (each about 10 minutes or less):.
i realize many of you already know that pastor russell who birthed the jws was a freemason.
so i thought you may find this of interest.. satinka.
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FREEMASONS and Pastor Russell
by satinka inspeaking of the supernatural... if you do not already fully understand the beginning and development of the freemasons you might want to watch this 2005 series of videos (each about 10 minutes or less):.
i realize many of you already know that pastor russell who birthed the jws was a freemason.
so i thought you may find this of interest.. satinka.
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Medina wrote:
There is, indeed no real proof of Russel being a Freemason. ... But thats not strange for a Mason in anyway, they mostly dont proclaim themselves as being one, and the symbolics he used and whe're he is burried indicate different then the mainstream opinion of the JW. I think he was a freemason. There is no proof he was, but also no proof that he wasnt .
Thanks Medina. Freemasons are a secret organization, just like the jws. That is the whole point of this thread. If any of you bothered to watch the videos, it states the belief that Jehovah is actually Satan. Pastor Russell's books are full of diagrams about astrology and pyramids and blood sacrifices and naked bodies hanging to die and pictures of bodies writhing in pain.
Pastor Russell certainly worshipped Jehovah and the JWs have a punishing belief system. Jehovah is no God of Love like he pretends to be. Ask anyone who is shunned who is not allowed to see their children.
Speaking of credibility...are the JWs credible??? Really??? Are so many of you here still JWs --- or JW-wannabe's??? Go be that, then! Contrary to popular belief, you do have free will!
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If I ran the WTS ...
by Simon in... and wanted to disrupt sites like this one and activities of 'apostates' in general, what would i do?.
would i send apologists who were obviously on the side of the wts to spew out the typical wts message, ones that would be quickly labelled and disagreed with?
maybe ... it would get people riled up.
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It took time for me to find my voice after being disfellowshipped. I was a frightened bird.
But, lately I started blogging. At first I felt really frightened about who might read my blogs.
But, now I realize that no one is reading them and I am feeling freer. I blog for myself.
If someone happens to read them, fine. Seems like people are too busy to bother.
If I was in charge of the WT I would close it down. It's a sick religion.
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Why did you "BORN IN's" leave?
by stillstuckcruz ini'm sure at some point you have mentioed it somewhere on the site, perhaps several.
but this question is i guess personal.
for those her were born into the jdub religion, why did you leave at whatever point?
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At some point I out-grew the JWs antiquated beliefs and began dancing... I got disfellowshipped.
Here is my story:
http://hey-whichwayisup.blogspot.com/2010/11/tribunal-of-religious-elders_20.html
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WOW...Watching 20/20 about Independent Baptist Cult...
by jamiebowers inreferred to on this thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/208507/1/a-religious-sub-culture-that-many-americans-have-never-heard-of-yet-which-has-thousands-of-churches-across-the-country-churches-that-critics-claim-can-foster-physical-and-sexual-abuse-on-abc-news-20-20.
i wonder how many jws are watching this show and see the many similarities to the watchtower..
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WOW...Watching 20/20 about Independent Baptist Cult...
by jamiebowers inreferred to on this thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/208507/1/a-religious-sub-culture-that-many-americans-have-never-heard-of-yet-which-has-thousands-of-churches-across-the-country-churches-that-critics-claim-can-foster-physical-and-sexual-abuse-on-abc-news-20-20.
i wonder how many jws are watching this show and see the many similarities to the watchtower..
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I would like to know if the 20-20 show was posted on the internet...?
I would sure love to get my hands on a copy of that video.
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WOW...Watching 20/20 about Independent Baptist Cult...
by jamiebowers inreferred to on this thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/208507/1/a-religious-sub-culture-that-many-americans-have-never-heard-of-yet-which-has-thousands-of-churches-across-the-country-churches-that-critics-claim-can-foster-physical-and-sexual-abuse-on-abc-news-20-20.
i wonder how many jws are watching this show and see the many similarities to the watchtower..
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Another related article:
A Religious Sub-Culture That Many Americans Have Never Heard Of, Yet Which Has Thousands Of Churches Across The Country, Churches That Critics Claim Can Foster Physical And Sexual Abuse, On ABC NEWS' "20/20"
Apr 7, 2011 - 10:40:33 AM Elizabeth Vargas' Yearlong Investigation into the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church Airs Friday, April 8
Try to imagine the pain and humiliation of a teenage girl, just 15 years old, who says she was forced to stand in front of a New Hampshire church congregation and confess her "sin" of being pregnant. She says that, not only was she forced to confess her pregnancy, but also to ask for their forgiveness - with no mention of the man she says sexually abused her. After all, she says, the pastor told her it's better than being stoned to death, as the bible describes.
That is what Tina Anderson alleged happened to her at her ultra conservative Independent Fundamental Baptist -- or IFB -- church. The IFB has thousands of congregations across the country, but many people had never heard of it... That was, until another woman, Jocelyn Zichterman, began a public campaign, armed with nothing but a computer and memories of her own alleged abuse, which she says church beliefs can foster.
And survivors are now coming out of the woodwork to say she's not alone. Elizabeth Vargas' yearlong exclusive investigation into a religious sub-culture that critics claim can foster - even cover up - physical and sexual abuse airs on "20/20," Friday, April 8 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET) on ABC.
Critics say the church teaches a strict interpretation of the bible, including the practice known as breaking the will of the child, with some advocating that it even be applied to infants as young as two weeks old.
"I had a decision to make that either I was going to kind of curl up in the corner and be quiet or I was going to stand up for my family and tell the truth," says Jocelyn Zichterman.
Pastor Chuck Phelps, the former pastor at Tina Anderson's New Hampshire church, denies Tina was disciplined by the church or that there was any attempt to cover up a crime. He declined repeated interview requests but provided a statement: "Tina was involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with Mr. Ernie Willis... Tina lied to her mother and to me about this relationship." He also said he brought the allegations to the attention of police who failed to investigate further. Ernie Willis, Tina Anderson's alleged attacker, has pleaded not guilty to sexual assault.
Brian Fuller, the current pastor at Tina's former IFB church, says all IFB churches operate independently and that his church has nothing to hide. He opened his doors to "20/20" cameras, was critical of how Tina's case was handled and denounced any abusive disciplinary practices, adding: "The Bible says that I'm supposed to love my children, I'm never supposed to ever do anything out of anger or manipulation. And that's what our people are taught here."
"20/20" is anchored by Elizabeth Vargas and Chris Cuomo. David Sloan is executive producer. Source: http://realitytvwebsite.com/RealityTVNews/A-Religious-Sub-Culture-That-Many-Americans-Have-Never-Heard-Of-Yet-Which-Has-Thousands-Of-Churches-Across-The-Country-Churches-That-Critics-Claim-Can-Foster-Physical-And-Sexual-Abuse-On-ABC-NEWS-20-20.html Sounds eerily similar to the JWs. I wonder if Elizabeth Vargas would investigate the JWs..??? satinka -
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Does the WTBTS purposely distort the number of anointed remaining?
by lifeisgood ini am trying to prove or disprove a statement that i read today.
i read a statement by someone that i trust that the wtbts purposely distorts the number of anointed left alive in their reports.. i used to be a jehovah's witness.
i know all of their teachings very well.
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lifeisgood wrote:
I remember reading statements like "Jehovah's spirit is active inside an anointed person". Things like that. But, if that were true, wouldn't the anointed be leading the 'work'? Not just the governing body, but all the anointed?
I wondered the same thing in the past. But now I know that the WT is corrupt, it explains why the anointed are left disempowered and discredited.
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DISCUSSION board.......or.....COMMENT board?
by Terry inthe following is only my own personal analysis.. take it or leave it.
but, by all means jump in and have a say.. .
i think more and more we are losing our grasp on a wonderful venue at jw-net.. as a discussion board, i mean.. at one time, there were a great many wonderful and interesting discussions by a variety of persons with varied backgrounds having a good.
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Hi Terry,
1.Do you see a Thread Topic and read ALL of the posts before you comment? Or, do you jump to the end and have your say?
I like to read all the posts first, usually, then reply to what seems relevant to me.
2.Do you consider what the actual Topic started off being rather than where it may have derailed?
I consider the actual topic. I notice that sometimes threads get derailed. But I think I respond generally to the actual topic, rather than otherwise.
3. Do you ask and answer questions factually, with references, quotations? Or, is yours exclusively an emotional response?
Sometimes I will give a comment with references. But other times, I figure the comment is self-explanatory and does not require a back-up. Still other times I like to state something that is outside of the JW box. I am working hard to change my belief system. I would not survive if I did not change my thinking and beliefs. The JWs have set us up to fail if we continued to believe what they taught. It’s part of the brainwash. I have lots of deep feelings about religious cults, since the JWs have severed my family ties and destroyed our family... You bet I can be emotional.
4.Do you care if there is a fundamental difference between an opinion and a fact?
Perhaps not. Opinions count, too…not just “facts” besides, what is “Truth” anyway? By whose definition?
5.Are your posts HUGE CHUNKS OF DENSE PARAGRAPHS THAT GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON?
Generally short and concise. Occasionally, I will quote a news article and drop the entire piece along with the link into a thread.
6.Are you pithy (like Minimus) and to the point?
Sometimes, but I can’t set Minimus as my standard. He is a star. I’m just humble satinka. Most people don't even respond to my threads.
7.If you had to characterize your own contributions to JW-net in one word or two at the most; what would it be?
I’m a true Apostate! And proud of it…
And I like the emoticons!
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Is this not an easy question?
by the pharmer ini wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.
if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.
who is correct)?
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Ah, I see the problem...
The whole email was this: I want you to help me understand your view about something.
JWs have are not allowed their own view on anything. They are only allowed to think and speak the WT view. It leads your friend to think you have doubts and questions. They are probably consulting with the elders to see if you are an Apostate.
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