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  Apostasy Trial - Part 2 - Satan is Using Google

  by berrygerry in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=373zbncuuoq

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  Steve2

  There is no need for elders to record the meeting since there are 3 of them to corroborate what took place while the accused is always alone...Judicial committees are spiritual executions to silence any dissidence from the organization with no consideration for justice.

  These men's first goal is not to answer any questions. All they want to do is establish where Isaac stands in regards to the organization. In fact when Isaac attempts to bring proof to his alegations using WT quotes they tell him they don't have all night. The recording shows that these "qualified" spiritual men cannot and do not want to bring back to reason the accused. They only need an excuse to isolate him from the flock to mitigate the danger of being exposed.
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  How many here gave up having a family for the sake of the "truth"?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  this is a sensitive topic for many of us i know, but i am wondering how many here actually gave up the idea of having a family "in this system" for the sake of "kingdom activity or service"??.

  start the count here with my wife and i.

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  Sadly, while some JWs may have regrets being childless and alone in their latter years, others resent having their spiritual career plans interrupted by an unplanned birth. I often heard some say they could have been special pioneers or missionaries if they didn't have a child, making it sound like their life was ruined by the child. Isn't this cult messed up!
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  How many here gave up having a family for the sake of the "truth"?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  this is a sensitive topic for many of us i know, but i am wondering how many here actually gave up the idea of having a family "in this system" for the sake of "kingdom activity or service"??.

  start the count here with my wife and i.

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  Thank you Stumpy for posting the results of your research. I know several sisters who remained single or married very late in life to secure a permanent pioneer partner...some of them died alone leaving nothing behind. I was not very obedient and I got married in 1973. Some family members didn't attend our wedding. Our first child was born early 1976...another cause of concern about our spirituality. Today we have grand children and I could not imagine a life without my family and I am happy that I didn't obey the WT because every other times I did resulted in hardship down the line.
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  Being in a cult - what good did it do?

  by Garrett in

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  2. friends

  so, here's a bit of a different point of view.

  while most of us will agree that our time within the jw cult was rather terrible, however, i'd like to look at another aspect.

  did anything good come out of being in a cult and then waking up from it?.

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  Ucantnome....this is exactly what I am talking about: who's to say your kids wouldn't have been better off not being raised as good Christians? Aren't there any good non believers? All religions and cults want you to believe life without them is worthless. Quoting the bible, isn't it Paul who says that people of the nations do what's good naturally? Today's root of social upheaval is religion, and although it may do good for some individuals it ruins collectivities.
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  Being in a cult - what good did it do?

  by Garrett in

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  so, here's a bit of a different point of view.

  while most of us will agree that our time within the jw cult was rather terrible, however, i'd like to look at another aspect.

  did anything good come out of being in a cult and then waking up from it?.

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  I used to think I would've turned out bad if I didn't know the "truth"...but that's what I was lead to believe as part of the indoctrination. Now that I am out I am asking myself how much more successful I could have been if not for the cult. I would have been more educated and possibly a professional or business man like some of my classmates. (one being a world class chess player and another a news anchor for a national network). I still did well without a formal education but I'll never know how much better I could have done....
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  Being in a cult - what good did it do?

  by Garrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, here's a bit of a different point of view.

  while most of us will agree that our time within the jw cult was rather terrible, however, i'd like to look at another aspect.

  did anything good come out of being in a cult and then waking up from it?.

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  Garrett

  For me absolutely nothing good came from being in a cult. Using one of the WT illustrations, do you need to lose a limb to realize how useful it was...be sick to appreciate good health or be immoral to appreciate virtue? Likewise being prisoner of a cult didn't increase the value of the freedom I should have enjoyed from the start. I do realize that I wasted the prime years of my life slaving for a printing company - a pain I shouldn't have to live with if I had lived a normal life.

  Edit: Phizzy and I are on the same page!
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  Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

  by Stumpy in

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  i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

  you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

  what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

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  Welcome Stumpy.

  6 years ago a close friend was diagnosed with cancer and obviously I prayed Jah on my friend's behalf. At the same time my long time employer was going to shut down the division I worked for and after almost 3 decades I would have to look for employment. I also prayed for guidance...well I guess it was much easier for the almighty god to find me a job than saving my friend...These events contributed in my awakening to the truth about "the truth". How could I ever thank Jah for blessing me with a materially comfortable life without realizing that millions of brothers live in poverty? What made me more worthy than them? Jah is either partial or he has absolutely nothing to do with the way we live. In fact for me he only existed in my mind and he has been flushed out.
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  Satan a Murderer?

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
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  so took the wives car instead of mine in today, the watchtower was playing, i got to hear t.morris life story as narrated by him, but that is another story entirely... long story short, the study article it went into was about satan.

  first of all the person reading sounded like the epitome of a brainwashed drone.

  second this is why meeting and hearing these things make me more of an unbeliever than any exjw website.

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  Why didn't god kill Satan? The lame excuse that it's to prove that some humans would always worship him is BS.
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  Bible Group in Boston

  by Agape.Love in

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  happy easter!

  my husband and i who are former jws are starting a new bible discussion group on sundays @1pm, south of boston.

  we will begin the group on sunday may 3rd.

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  I'm with Pete. I was fooled once and it lasted 50 years. I no longer believe in anything that requires to have faith, including God and an afterlife. JWs, Christians and all other "bible-based" religions claim to follow the bible but they cannot agree on how to understand and apply what they read. In my new reality if you are given the same music sheet, you should all play the same tune...I no longer want to debate how each note should sound or how long it should last...bible debates never end.
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  NFL player quits career to become an idiot

  by Captain Schmideo2 in

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  http://www.jwleather.com/news/jason-worilds-quits-nfl-to-knock-on-doors-as-a-jehovahs-witness.

  jason worilds quits nfl to knock on doors as a jehovahs witness.. 3/19/2015.

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  If I made 10 millions last year I would probably quit unless I really loved what I was doing. I would pursue other interests too...but not cult-related ones. He will be paraded at conventions to tell how much happier he is now and how bad being a football player was...bad association, immorality, materialism...violence, all things God hates. I saw the same thing when Tom Edur quit his NHL hockey career and he eventually was sent to serve where the need is great...he wasn't a star and didn't make 10 millions...