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  How to prove God does not exist?

  by UBM101 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  many times (almost all the time) atheists asking for proof of god's existence from those who believe that god exists.

  perhaps at times they should prove he doesn't exist.

  any taker?

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  Prove that a xiloptropodea does not exist.
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  Satan rules the world, well according to the Watchtower Society, right?

  by God_Delusion in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys & gals!.

  a friend, and current witness, says the jehovah's witnesses have the truth because they're the only religion that state that satan is in control of the world and not god/jesus as some christian religions state.. how can i counter this argument?.

  warm regards and love,.

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  And they are not the ONLY religion that preach this. (just google it and will find hundreds of pages speaking about that).

  They are not the ONLY one in nothing at all.

  They even are not the MOST crazy religion out there. Islam have the first prize in that.
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  Satan rules the world, well according to the Watchtower Society, right?

  by God_Delusion in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys & gals!.

  a friend, and current witness, says the jehovah's witnesses have the truth because they're the only religion that state that satan is in control of the world and not god/jesus as some christian religions state.. how can i counter this argument?.

  warm regards and love,.

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  This argument is so ridiculous.

  It's a non sequitur fallacy. One sentence does not follow or justifies the other.

  It's like say because rains upon churches, they must be the truth.

  You can say the other religions preach god exists, so they must be the true religion.

  The other religions accept the bible as the word of god, so they must be the true religion.

  Etc...
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  How many JW apologists really post here?

  by Londo111 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesterday, stand for pure worship confessed that he has been trolling jwn, as he has through many incarnations.. it makes me wonder if any of the jw apologists that have posted here over my last two years have been real: scholar, recovery, and so forth..

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  Have just two kinds of true apologists:

  1- The hit and run (and never reappears).

  2- Ctrl+C \ Ctrl+V and no discussion.
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  Erick Erickson commentary: December 25th...

  by wolfman85 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2013/12/25/dec--25-was-picked-as-birthday-of-jesus-for-christian-reasons.html.

  adchoices.

  header adchoices erick erickson commentary: dec. 25 was picked as birthday of jesus for christian reasons /subscribe-dispatchwednesday december 25, 2013 6:08 am.

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  What is important is that he is just a myth.
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  The tragedy of Pentecostalism in Africa

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from the usa's foreign policy magazine:.

  source: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/12/20/angels_and_demons_africa_malawi_witches_hiv#sthash.7r18d9ng.dpbs.

  angels and demons.

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  They are burning people alive over there!
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  They are Definitely Attacking "Higher Education"

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.

  as regards pursuing higher education?

  the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.

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  • At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive,whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives - WT, 11/15/2013, p. 20, paragraphs 17, Stupefied version. [Emphasis added]

  This cannot be true! They are writing TTATT in their own magazines!
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  Who left or got stumbled over the 1995 generation thing?

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  or the 2000's generation thing?.

  how did you feel?

  how did it help you wake up?

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  There's no more internal cohesiveness in the JW mythology.

  One generation becomes two (or more).

  144,000 members of the Slave becomes just 8.

  New bible, new ugly songs, new ridiculous magazines, KH's sold...

  Religion was supposed to be an oasis of steady tradition in people's lives (because truth never changes), but the WT is a new religion in each 5 years (or less).
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  Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

  that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

  however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

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  (So does the particle know if the record button is on or not ?)

  Not! It's same thing to say light "knows" when you turn a switch on. But you can consider t he view that all matter has consciousness call panpsychism (or pan consciousness).

  If panpsy is true, a switch have a rudimentar form of consciousness. This topic is considered in artificial intelligence stuff, that's something much more "spiritual" than QM.
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  The BEST way to "wake up" a JW

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we have debated this over many years and in many threads, as all of us have family and/or former friends still in.

  it seems that there is no "best" way to wake up a jw, it is as elusive as the "true" religion it seems.. but a comment made by poster "emery" on another thread stood out to me, he/she said :.

  "what i have gathered is that most witnesses seem to be in it for emotional reasons.

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  John_Mann

  I once had a successful approach with a very emotional JW.

  I just told her that the most natural way the true god would reveal to everyone of us is:

  1) God revealing itself to you in a very personal way.

  2) God says to you he have a book with more information about what to do.

  3) This book of god (bible) appoints you to an earthly organization (JW's).

  She accepted it.

  So I made this born-in JW girl admits she gone through the opposite order:

  1) One earthly organization show to her about an old book.

  2) This organization said this book reveals an old mountain god.

  3) This organization said this old god through this old book says this organization is the only true religion.

  The first one is god directing the entire process in a loop back to him. The second one is an organization directing a loop to itself.

  She realized the TTAA after that.