dedicate your life to jehovah, by being baptized as a jw - not as a christian.
(a follower of christ - acts 11:26).
par.
dedicate yourself to Jehovah and to get baptized is the most important decision you will ever make.
Well, for starters, it's not to Jehovah(tm), it's to the Organisation(tm).
And of course, if it is the 'most important decision', no wonder the indoctrinated culties will not be ready.
TOMO needs his booze money, so they need bums on seats.
jehovah's witnesses run to the book of james staying that faith without works is dead.
they completely ignore the teachings of paul and hold onto james.
.. it would appear that there is a contradiction between james' teaching and paul's teaching, yet the bible tells us to rightly divide the word of truth.
Cofty - How to be saved by god from what god will do to us if we don't believe him.
Reminds me of the Mafia boss that holds a gun to your head and says, 'If you don't give me the money I'm not entitled to, I'll blow your head off.....and it's YOUR fault!'
i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
Nuffy - your disbelief in God doesn't spite the GB in the least
I didn't suggest that was ever my intention. Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Although, it is something my Mum would say. One thing doesn't lead to another. Maybe I am not explaining myself well. It is nearly Tea-time (Dinner time?), anyway. I'm at loathing the GB(tm) for making me believe their trash. (I'd normally say 'rubbish' but my friends over the Atlantic say trash and garbage), All of it.
Tonus said it better - I didn't stop believing in god because I left the JWs. I stopped being a JW when I realized I didn't believe in god.
Although I still believed after I left and went to Church to worship.
My position now, is that until proper evidence is presented, to prove a God/s exist/s, I will remain sceptical. I won't be fooled again. I think that's a very fair position, and considering different cultures preach a different deity/s. Why believe any of them? Just because it's more predominant in Western culture, doesn't mean it is true.
Bible, Quran, Zoroastrianism(I'll put my teeth back in), , Zen and more all think theirs is the way.
For now, Indy is in a bit of a spot.
Time will tell.
i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
Nuffy - You will get fed up some day and throw in the towel.
This is very true. At some stage it all gets a bit much.
they take their spite out on God himself
In my case, I take my spite out on the Governing Body(tm)(Pee be upon them) because I am no longer convinced there is a God.
Disbelief in God becomes convenient to some.
I'm sure in some cases this is true, Nuffy. In my case it's genuine and very inconvenient.
The Governing Body(tm)(Pee be upon them), have lied and continue to lie. I was a victim of their grift. Socratic questioning has taken me to a more logical place. Not a place I want to be, but hey, you gotta face facts. Facts don't care about feelings.
I loathe The child abuse enabling drunkards called the Governing Body(tm)(Pee be upon them)
i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
Indy - I wonder how many are like me staying PIMO for the great association and gathering etc.
I wouldn't go as far as 'great association'. these people are not real friends because they'd drop you in a heartbeat if you got DF'd. True friends stick with you no matter what.
Also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of Borg.
Sorry to let you down...but.....You'll have a long wait. Nothing much will happen except they'll perhaps, change their business model.
want to live by Bible principles
Bible principles or the Corporations(tm) interpretation of them?
I have serious doubts that the GB were chosen by God
He didn't. It's obvious. I'm not sure I believe in God, so to me the point is moot.
Look at what was said at the Australian Royal Commission.............
Geoff Jackson at the Australian Royal Commission Aug 15
Angus Stewart Q. And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on earth?
Jackson answered. “That I think, would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using. “
This raises lots of questions about the GB(tm) (Pee be upon them). The implications are massive. I'll bet you a pound to a pinch of snuff, everyone in your Congregation(tm) won't know anything about the ARC into child abuse within the Organisation(tm).
how any Jdubs are going to have mental breakdowns and serious emotional problems over the next few decades as they slowly realise the big A is not coming and they were lied to
A lot of us have and still do. the Corporation(tm) is an evil entity. But, it will remain for a long time.
breaking news from jw.org..... "we are pleased to inform you that two additional brothers have been appointed to serve as members of the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses: brothers gage fleegle and jeffrey winder.
both brothers are anointed christians who have a long history of loyal service to jehovah.
brother fleegle began his full-time service in 1989 and bethel service in 1991. brother fleegle has served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.
I wonder how 'Winder' is pronounced?
As in Wind-bag or Wine Bibber?
As for Fleegle. Banana Splits?
if there is evidence that jesus invisibly chose specific men at headquarters in brooklyn new york in 1919 to be his faithful slave and that mandate and ability passed on to future directors...then the answer might just be a resounding maybe.. what is the evidence for this invisible appointment and what is the evidence that this is just watchtower mythology?.
i hope jws like scholar and fisherman will explain why the trust the gb.. i must be honest, i see no evidence at all to put trust in either the 1919 selection or the current men taking the lead in warwick.
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Anyone would think the Governing Body(tm) (Pee be upon them) of Jehovah's Witnesses(tm), were not promoting themselves. (He said ironically).
They have been ramming this home into the Jobots from time immemorial. No wonder the Jobots are hypnotised by it all. Keep repeating a lie until everyone believes it....and so on.
I don't believe for one minute they even believe this themselves because at their level, they must know it's just a corrupt big business pretending to be a religion.
If they were a bona fide religion, their top brass wouldn't be drunkards and they would take measures to stamp out child molesters, not protect them, whatever the cost to their reputation.
If God is with them, who can be against them?
i've been out for 13 years.
just wondering who the society is identifying as the king of the north?.
This just reminds me how fragile the Corporation(tm) teachings(tm) are. The last I heard, about 11 years ago, was that they didn't know who the KotN was.
Now it's Russia?
Talk about flip flops. They know. They don't know. They know. A bit like the men of Sodom being resurrected(tm).
Anyone would think that Jehovah(tm) really DOESN'T speak to them.
i am pimo but too scared to talk about my doubts with anyone for fear of being shunned.
i know many now have doubts that the vaccines are safe and effective this is as good as doubting the gb.
you can it say anything in doubt about the vaccines because the gb still act like salesmen for big pharmaceuticals .
indy - I don’t want to be shunned and lose family and friends
That's fair enough and quite natural. That's the reason the Corporation(tm) has introduced Disfellowshipping(tm), to lock you in
I still believe in intelligent design rather than chance evolution
Again. Fair enough. So did I until I got out of the mind control of the Corporation(tm). Now, I'm free to explore my own route with an open mind.
but I don’t believe the GB are correct
They're not. The Corporation(tm) is just another cult.
If it helps; when I was coming out of the Corporation's(tm) mind control, I viewed them as being like the 'Apostate'(tm) leaders of Israel that took the people down an ungodly path.
I'm sorry for your pain. Perhaps a slow fade would be of use to you. Also, check out Logical Fallacies and see how the Corporation(tm) uses them.
Check out Loaded Language and how Watchtower Corporation(tm) uses it to control your mind.
i am pimo but too scared to talk about my doubts with anyone for fear of being shunned.
i know many now have doubts that the vaccines are safe and effective this is as good as doubting the gb.
you can it say anything in doubt about the vaccines because the gb still act like salesmen for big pharmaceuticals .
Indy. I think you might be getting too wound up about all this. There's nothing you can do about it. The Governing Body(tm) (Pee be upon them), will do what the hell they bleedin' well want.
Just breathe my ol' mucker. Take time out from them and BREATHE.
