my mother-in-law is making leaps and bounds in her progress to get out of the watchtower.
for those of you that don't know, she is df'd but has been working on "coming back".
recently i've been able to exchange emails about the dangers of the organization and share jesus with her.
At least if there's any left, she could read the older publications to see the lies told about the big 'A' and a whole host of things.
Deprogram them at all costs!!!!
The more that exodus from the Borg the better it is to spread the word of the GB's deceit and that they really are the 'filthful syliva cl-arse', big business scam artists!
went to the meeting today.
what a ra ra to be zealous in preaching sales meeting.
i was totally disgusted at the outright deception that they are spewing out.. .
we want to honor God's name and help people to come to know his will.
Then don't let them within a mile of the Watchtower Babylon Crap society! 131 of failed prophecy! Say no more!
it was normal in my cong for people to blame bad things in their lives on the devil, things like the car breaking down, people at work giving you hassle, householders not wanting the mags etc etc.
did no one ever think how stupid and werid this sounded??
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Originally I remember my Mom blaming stuff on the devil and it didn't make sense. Later as I grew I started to think the Devil was quite active up until my departure from the Borg.
I recon auld clootie is more active than Jar-Hoover and on balance god has been totally ignoring me whereas auld clootie has been quite interactive. Satan being more interested in me than the 'brand named' fake JW god.
I now think it's all just the cult propoganda technique of 'mystical manipulation'.
As Cliff Richard sang : Why Should the Devil Have All the Good Music..........
i have come to the conclusion that the watchtower organization is this = .
an anti-christ pyramid big business cult posing as a religion to enable the leaders to obtain money and/or power over the rank and file witnesses.. .
my conclusions are based on a whole range of things including:.
I have come to the conclusion that the Watchtower organization is this =
An Anti-Christ pyramid big business cult posing as a religion to enable the leaders to obtain money and/or power over the rank and file witnesses.
My conclusions are based on a whole range of things including:
Doctrine = EG. If Jesus is Michael the Arch-Angel then why does Heb 1:4-9 exist? If men are ‘appointed’ to MS or Elder or even GB by ‘Holy Spirit’ then why were some appointed when they were doing things you’d get DF for before and during their appointment?
Secular = Randcam, UN & Philip Morris involvement. The protection of paedophiles within the org.
Cult propaganda tactics = DVD Faith on the March alters the JW history. DFing is ‘Milleu Control’. Not being allowed to research the org is ‘information control’…and many more
Weird chronology = 1914 & 1919 are calculated the same way on the CD rom. Only JW’s rattle on about 607BCE.
Occult = The ‘Watchtower’ itself is an occult symbol. 1914 was calculated using astrology and pyramidology. The memorial is the same as the occult reject/mock the Christ.
Well. That’s what I recon!
i am reading steve hassan's book combatting cult mind control and wow is all i have to say.
i am pretty much convinced that this religion is a mind control induced cult.
he actually outlines step by step the actual mind control methods used in destructive cults.
Many, like myself, went thru' a post traumatic stress syndrome on waking up and leaving the Borg. We have felt totally conned by the JW's and this leads to a range of emotions and doesn't stop after a day or two.
I'm trying not to obsess over the Borg. but it's hard not to want to strike back at the GB. They fooled in their lust for money & power over us and they know it!!!
It might be worth while researching PTSS although I'm not saying you've got this.
Regards Unky Punky
i have always struggled to understand what prayers god answers and which ones he avoids.
most religions teach that god answers prayers, so people must feel that their prayers are being answered, yet the type of prayers seem to be very selective.. .
if god answered broad based prayers, then children in third world countries would not be starving, so he does not seem to interfere in global issues.
I have a struggle believing in god anymore after being lied to by the Borg all my life. Raised in the Borg but now free!
I really can't see god as CLEARLY answering any prayers.
Often it seems to be simple coincidence only or other humans have helped.
I feel god won't answer any prayers as they're all selfish in some way.
I've prayed my wife and daughter escape the Borg now I'm out but no! They're more zealous than ever in the cult!
I remain very cynical now seeking evidence. Like doubting Thomas.
Funnily enough a muslim bloke who was preaching in the street was very angry at me (convincing me they're also a cult), as he asked me: 'What do you want? god to write in the sky which god to serve?' (His eyes ablaze with hatred.
I calmly replied: 'Yes. Actually that'd be nice!'
I left him fuming like a psychopath...............
just wondering!.
i know many would say ''why the hell would you do that?".
just wondering if i could actually get hard copies of some stuff for a 'donation' and not have to hunt it down.... mind you, i'd have a hard time making myself look conservative!.
NUGGET = some of the things you want are special order items and are not held as stock
Just what I was going to say. Also be prepared to be 'love bombed' and viewed as a potential 'study'. You could mean 'brownie points' to one of the zealots in the Spindom Hall!
if you ever felt that you really did love god, but no matter what you did, ended up on the outs with your family and with the watchtower anyway..... these words have comforted me.. .
66. thus saith the lord, the heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me?
and where is the place of my rest?
Well, way I see it, DFing isn't to be found in the Bible. Even checking the scripture/word index in the NWT reveals this.
The nearest I can see to a JC is the trial of Jesus.
This is proof to me and I am 100% convinced, that the JW's are an anti-Christ pyramid business CULT posing as a religion. This is why they use CULT control tactics to keep the R&F in line. Milleu control!
The problem now for them is, the more individuals that get hurt by the anti-Christ cult is the more they will research the reason why - usually on the internet.
I hope this will lead to the ultimate demise of the WTBTS! Oh, but a man can dream!!
2011 yearbook, singing praise to jehovah, p.17-21:.
singing songs of praise to jehovah is an integral part of our worship.
at the 2009 conventions, therefore, god's servants were overjoyed when they were told of a new songbook, sing to jehovah.
Sorry in advance for my fellings contained in brackets..........I've had enough of being lauded over by a delusional Governing Body who tell god what he may and may not do!
2011 Yearbook, Singing Praise to(the Governing Body who are greater than) Jehovah, p.17-21:
Singing songs of praise to Jehovah (the GB) is an integral part of our worship. (There isn’t anything else that is actually ‘WORSHIP’ at the meetings unless you count the prayers in thanks to the GB)At the 2009 conventions, therefore, God's servants were overjoyed (underwealmed) when they were told of a new songbook, Sing to (the GB) Jehovah. But why was a new songbook needed? (Obviously to cover up old lies? More ‘bait and switch’ propaganda techniques added to make us obey the GB)
From time to time, we have revised our songbooks to keep them in line with increased spiritual light. (Shifting opinions of men. Covering up failed prophecy as an example) (Prov 4:18 always used but totally out of context and one of the ONLY scriptures they have to cover their jacksies) Preparation of a new songbook thus provides an opportunity for needed adjustments to be made to the lyrics of our songs. (still droning crap though) Wording has been selected that makes it easier to absorb the meaning of the song while it is being sung and to make the words easier to remember. (Yes, like ‘Ever Loyal’ remember it’s all about praising and obeying the GB who are so all powerful they even tell God what to do and what to think) To help further with memorization, many of the songs have been shortened. (But are still crap) Where appropriate choruses have been added to provide meaningful repetition of key thoughts. (Hammer those lies home!) In addition, an effort was made to assign each syllable of each word to a single note, rather than to place more than one syllable on a note. (Why are some of them just as hard to get your teeth around as the old ones then?)
A careful analysis of our previous songbook, Sing Praises to Jehovah, revealed that some of the melodies (Plinky Plonky Monotone drones) needed adjustments (Put the whole lot in the bin) to make them easier to sing. As a result, some of the songs have now been lowered in pitch so that the higher notes are easier to sing. (Sounds like a REAL musician…NOT) Also, not all songs were being sung exactly as they were written in the book. (A bit like the ‘TrooOOOooOOth’, it keeps changing with the opinions of men from Brooklyn) So in some cases the melody(Melody? Don’t make me laugh, more like communist anthems...no offence to communists) itself has been adjusted to match the more natural manner in which the songs were actually being sung by our brothers internationally. (So, some ‘Brothers’ not ‘Sisters’ internationally, fall asleep during the hum-drum melo....mel...no I can't use that word, too?)
Details, such as how the music is printed on the page, were given special consideration. While longer songs have been spread across two pages to accommodate the longer text of translated languages, songs have been placed so that there is no need to turn a page during a song. No songs are longer than three verses. (No one turns the pages, they’re either asleep or bored spitless)
How was the mammoth task of preparing the new songbook accomplished? (With money making in mind. New songbook, cheap printing, more contributions than cost of said printing. GB continue to live like 'worldly' rock stars) In August 2007, a team of experienced composes and lyricists (Old hacks, some of which are probably no longer JW’s) were invited to assist the Governing Body (Bows down low to worship the ‘modern day’ GB. We are not worthy. Oh, HOLY GB)with the project. All of the songs in the previous songbook were examined meticulously (Yeah, right, 'meticulously', let's give them some credit. Why not for a change, it'd be a first!) to identify problems with doctrinal content, (Old lies….er ..sorry, I mean ‘light’) word emphasis, and melodic issues. (Melodic issues…BWAHAHAHAHAHAH! The songs are awful…the melodic issues is THERE IS NO MELODY) It was apparent that some of the older melodies were fine(JW buzz word)but that they required new lyrics. (No!! No, they require destroying forever and replacing with Church Hymns of Death Metal)Other songs that required little adjustment to lyrics needed substantial changes to their melodies. (Why do they say ‘melody’ when there is none?) Then, the Teaching Committee of the Governing Body (Bows down low to worship the ‘modern day’ GB. We are not worthy. Oh, HOLY GB please take all my money) approved a list of topics to be considered in songs for Christian (Anti-Christ) meetings, assemblies, conventions and dedication programs. (And other such boring occasions that are just adverts for door knocking to get cash for the GB)
In addition, the composers (Posers) took time to reexamine the style of music used by our brothers at our meetings. To produce reverent yet appealing songs, (A pity they failed miserably then) they avoided music that sounded like hymns (Shame) used in Christendom's churches (Oooh, are we about to start name calling?). At the same time, they did not want songs of praise to Jehovah to lean toward styles that have become popular in many charismatic churches. (Yep, here we go…name calling. The GB are better and JW’s are so special and pious)
Throughout the project, the Governing Body (Bows down low to worship the ‘modern day’ GB. We are not worthy. Oh, HOLY GB please take all my money) carefully monitored the composition and words of each song. Groups of new songs that the Governing Body (Bows down low to worship the ‘modern day’ GB. We are not worthy. Oh, HOLY GB please take all my money) was not familiar with were recorded by singers for the Governing Body(Bows down low to worship the ‘modern day’ GB. We are not worthy. Oh, HOLY GB please take all my money) to listen to and review. As soon as these songs were approved, they were sent to translating branches for translation of the lyrics so that vernacular songbooks could be released at the same time as the English songbook. (How many more times are the GB going to be mentioned worshipfully here?)
Additionally, in 2007, the Governing Body (…and yet again….Bows down low to worship the ‘modern day’ GB. We are not worthy. Oh, HOLY GB please take all my money) arranged for a chorus of singers to produce recordings that would help the congregation members to learn the (Pro GB propaganda) songs. For many years a volunteer orchestra(Yep. They weren’t paid. More cash for the GB) from 14 branches has assembled about twice a year at Patterson, New York, to record music for educational (mind controlling to do more door knocking or die at Armageddon indoctrination sessions) programs produced by Jehovah's Witnesses, including dramas, (Poor sods in bed sheets pretending there was a GB in the 1 st century) video productions, (More lies about JW history like ‘faith on the march’)and musical accompaniment for conventions and assemblies. (mind controlling to do more door knocking or die at Armageddon indoctrination sessions)These dedicated brothers and sisters, (Oooh, sisters get a mention, WOW! Whatever next…we’re sorry about 1975? No. I’m getting carried away) many of them full-time ministers, use their time and resources to travel and record music for the benefit of the international brotherhood. All are skilled musicians. (Yep. They weren’t paid. More cash for the GB) The orchestral recordings are then shared with branches around the world to provide background music for their conventions (mind controlling to do more door knocking or die at Armageddon indoctrination sessions)and for the production of vocal renditions in dozens of local languages. Many of the vocal recordings made at the branches are now available for download from our Web site www.jw.org.
What has been the reaction to the new songbook, Sing to Jehovah? This letter from a sister (WOW! A ‘sister’ gets a mention. I wonder if she really exists or was made up like ‘questions from readers’?)is typical of hundreds of letters of appreciation that have been received: “Please allow me to begin this letter by thanking you for the beautiful new songs in our new songbook. They are moving, faith-strengthening, and comforting – a delightful gift from Jehovah.” (Of which I made contributions in the box so the GB can continue to live like ‘worldly’ celebrities)
It is our desire that the songbook Sing to Jehovah (When we say Jehovah, which is our ‘brand name’ for god, we really mean - Praise the greater than god GB)will be a source of comfort and encouragement to our worldwide brotherhood. Whether we are alone or gathered together with our fellow worshipers, (for mind controlling to do more door knocking or die at Armageddon indoctrination sessions)may we use it to express our love for our heavenly father, Jehovah! (When we say Jehovah, which is our ‘brand name’ for god, we really mean - Praise the greater than god GB who are your overlords)
a friend disassociated in order to get divorced, hoping not to get disfellowshipped.
some time later, he has a serious non-jw girlfriend whom he'll probably end up marrying.
the thing is, he didn't disassociate because he no longer believed the wt doctrines.
If this geezer is still a dub in his head, he'll likely go back, depressed and treated like filth even after he's R/I. His new girlfriend will likely see him as part of a nutty cult (she'd be right), and escape.
As far as how many DF/DA go back depends on how many still believe all the mind controlling guilt/fear/phobia induced junk.
If some do research it's likely they'll de-program, it doesn't take much to shatter the illusion and find it isn't anywhere near being the 'trooOOOoOOOth'.
the more sites like this the better!
