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  Wh a JW Paradise would REALLY be like.

  by smiddy3 in

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  where does one start ?

  ok i`ll do my best and you can add some more if you like .. first off, wherever in the world you are that`s where you will stay.why?

  because modern day transport as we know it will no longer be.

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  First of all, JW's just believe that Joe Hoover is gonna waive his magic wand and "POOF" everything is going to be Paradise. Turn rocks into bread and water into wine.

  I really sometimes wonder if the GB isn't intentionally trying to wake people up without coming right out and saying "we were wrong". ~ mynameislame

  I suspect the GB would have no problem if all the "fringe" JW's took off. You know, the JW's that just take up space. They don't contribute anything. No productive recruiting. No donations. And what they do do (dodo?), is perhaps ask embarrassing questions that raise doubts and cause general discouragement and apathy.
  
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  Are Jehovah Witness willing to end studies?

  by Maria Nieves in

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  https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2020/how-to-conduct-a-bible-study-that-leads-to-baptism-part-two/.

  i recently came across the above watchtower article which spoke about conducting bible studies which lead to baptism.

  it progressed to say that if the bible study instructor does not see growth within the student or the desire to work towards baptism, then the studies should end.

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  But most JW's (esp pioneers) aren't apt to want to lose those "easy" hours they count with a BS. As long as the BS is not your own child, there is no limit to the hours you can log with these people. "Studies" that go on for 2 hours. Phone call RV's to "encourage". Picking them up for a meeting (when they used to exist), etc.

  When you end that study, you have to go back to knocking on doors driving around in the territory.
  
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  I have a deep seated hatred for the leadership of the JW Cult

  by mrquik in

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  2. experiences

  i look back on my life & realize all major mistakes fall at the feet of the jw leadership.

  no college, no birthdays, basically no celebrations.

  lived my younger years as an outcast.

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  Some of the comments above brought to my mind of a JW family we know. Dad an engineer who always had high paying career. Kids all "star pioneered". Home schooled. No education. Sons worked at Bethel for a few years. No marketable skills. Dad, now in his 70s, is still assisting some of them. What happens to them when he dies? I don't think there is enough in the estate to support them indefinitely. Of course, maybe there are enough assets to last up until "The New World"(™) is here?

  And this is what I see repeated a lot now with the born-in JW's. Live at home with Mom & Dad's support and pioneer. That makes the elder dad look good to the CO. The kids have a cushy life. But they are too short sighted (based on false promises) to see that it's all going to collapse on them.

  
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  I have a deep seated hatred for the leadership of the JW Cult

  by mrquik in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i look back on my life & realize all major mistakes fall at the feet of the jw leadership.

  no college, no birthdays, basically no celebrations.

  lived my younger years as an outcast.

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  I left in my 20’s and was able to recover, go to College, have a career, plan a retirement. ~ Just Fine

  Gotta say I'm jealous or envious of people like you who woke up soon enough that they still had most of their life ahead of them. And I'm very happy to read of quite a few experience here of those who are still only in their 20s or 30s who have left the Cult or looking for assistance on how to do that.

  I was over 50, though I admit I to doubts long before fully awakening and fading which is why I guess I was still fairly intent on accumulating some assets although nothing like if I'd have take advantage of all "the world" has to offer. I missed out on college (it was that May 22, 1969 Awake! ragazine) so I was determined that my kids would not miss college (If Armageddon didn't come by that time -- and it did not) and they would be able to pursue a career vs. a job that just provided "sustenance and covering". All are doing good. I think they all woke up to the Cult long before I fully did.

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
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  I have a deep seated hatred for the leadership of the JW Cult

  by mrquik in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i look back on my life & realize all major mistakes fall at the feet of the jw leadership.

  no college, no birthdays, basically no celebrations.

  lived my younger years as an outcast.

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  I've experienced those same feelings of anger. Fortunately, I think I am past most of it. I also was angry at myself for being so gullible for so long. WHY WHY WHY was the 1975 debacle not enough to convince me (all of us?) that this was all man-made delusional bullshit?

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

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  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  MMM you got it totally correct!

  Sending this form or any form or any letter or making any statement to the Elders is the LAST THING you want to do if you desire to "quit quietly" (or as we like to call it here: FADE).
  

  These signed and retained documents of peaceful leavers will contribute to a Death by a Thousand Cuts for these religious, shithouse dictators.

  Of course, my only experience is here in the US, but with that caveat if you really believe the BS stated above then I am afraid my friend, you are seriously delirious. You won't get but about 3 minutes of their attention as they decide to announce you made the decision to no longer be a JW. (Let the shunning begin.)
  
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  How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

  by pistolpete in

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  i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

  by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

  all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

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  How many really just believe in the lifestyle and social community and know that they have to profess "belief" to be part of that and keep their family contacts? ~ Simon
  

  I believe (see how I did that) that this explains at least 50% of active JW's. It's their "lifestyle" just as any Catholic who goes to Mass "believes" all that rubbish. The majority of JW's cannot explain their beliefs. They just go along with the rest of the JW Crowd and remain in "awe" of the GB and the WT Leaders. You can't challenge a belief or have doubts about a belief that you can't even explain. Ask them any serious question that they can't explain and you'll just get an answer like: "Well......., I just know it's The Truth(™)".

  
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  by which time you have not been a JW for X amount of time ! ~ Phizzy
  

  Thus that's followed with the announcement: "Phizzy is no longer one of JW's. "
  
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  The Gentile Times are The Time of The End!

  by Guard in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello, brothers.

  i don't speak english, but i really want to share what i have.

  so sorry for mistakes and style.. so, the all detected parallels (exact connections) between the quotes of daniel 11:44-12:7 and revelation 11:2-18 are:.

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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  DesirousOfChange

  This would result in the Elders discreetly circulating the "memo" (verbally) that you are no longer one of JW's.