DesirousOfChange

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  Next time a jw says "the end is sooo close now"

  by nowwhat? in

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  say this.

  with what's going on the world does it look like they are going to proclaim peace and security anytime soon?!

  or was the organization wrong again about the end times?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I recall being in on a conversation between two elders where one was explaining to the other that he had maxed out on his union pension and had decided to change positions so he could join a different union and start building his nd pension. I did not have the balls to say something like "but you're sure Armageddon is so very very near", right?
  
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  A Great Life After Leaving

  by Lost in the fog in

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  https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/shunned-jehovahs-witnesses-life-now-7613921.

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  DesirousOfChange

  It was wonderful to get my mind back ~ LHG

  I don't think I've looked at it that way. Good summation.

  Occasionally my wife & I dwell on the fact that we lost our "network of friends" when we left. And of course, one can say there were NOT really "friends" if they were "conditional" friends. True. But they seemed "real" at the time when we were still drinking the Koolaid. They were the people who visited you when you were hospitalized. They were the people you got together with for Pinochle or Hearts or went to lunch with after the meeting. That void is real.

  But I noticed this week when one of our kids posted something on Facebook they had dozens of replies and comments which were mostly from people that I do not know. I realized that they had developed their "new network" which is why they say they don't miss the unconditional "friends" that have disappeared from their lives. They have new lives. Bravo!
  
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  Next time a jw says "the end is sooo close now"

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  say this.

  with what's going on the world does it look like they are going to proclaim peace and security anytime soon?!

  or was the organization wrong again about the end times?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I’ll sign an agreement with you, with these terms:

  — I give you $20,000 cash right now

  — You sign a contract giving me 100% of all your assets 5 years from now. You can continue to use those assets (house, car, cash, etc.) for the next 4 years and 364 days, but at year 5, it is all legally and fully mine

  I know a JW who did something like that. His lucrative job was moving and he did not want to relocate. He accepted a one-time payout of his retirement funds "knowing" that it would be more than enough for he & his wife to live on until Armageddon.

  You know the rest of the story. In a few years the money was all gone and they were still "waiting on Jehovah". No Armageddon. No Paradise. No pandas. No retirement. No money. And died a ward of the State.
  

  
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  What are the odds that Armageddon is soooo close?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  well judging from past prophetic pronouncements....go figure.

  "surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of god that the lord jesus is present and has been since 1874;…" watchtower 1924 jan 1 p.5).

  "the prophecy of the bible, fully supported by the physical facts in fulfillment thereof, shows that the second coming of christ dates from the fall of the year 1914.

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  DesirousOfChange

  WOW! All that research for quotes. Vander, you spend way too much time on a group of religious losers.
  
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  Is the Governing Body still considering giving an apology?

  by was a new boy in

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  cricket australia apologised to child sex abuse survivors on monday.. https://supersport.com/cricket/news/d697602e-7832-45d7-9710-024493595f57/cricket_australia_sorry_for_historical_child_sex_abuse.

  is it still foreseeable the governing body will consider giving an apology to anyone who has suffered sexual abuse in australia?

  7 years ago.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Dreaming.............
  
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  Would you still be angry with Lloyd Evans ?

  by BettyHumpter in

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  if instead of thailand, he had gone to a place where its legal and (supposedly) has some sort of oversight to prevent exploitation?

  like nevada in the u.s or amsterdam in europe?

  would the being unfaithful part still be a deal breaker as far as supporting his channel?

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  DesirousOfChange

  To quote Hyman Roth: "He's small potatoes."

  It's ironic how JWs always found little BS things to make into BIG stories like it really mattered and ex-JWs continue the tradition. Neither group has any real bearing on the World Scene today. It only matters to us because we were/are members in one or probably both of those "clubs".
  
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  Do you believe in ultimate justice?

  by Fisherman in

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  ultimate justice means that conduct is not inconsequential.

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  DesirousOfChange

  The Bible says you reap what you sow...

  But the Bible also says "justice never goes forth and the wicked encircle the righteous". Hab 1:4

  As usual, you can justify any position on most any subject by cherry-picking scripture from the Bible.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses 2022 Annual Meeting

  by JW GoneBad in

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  damn....october 1, 2022 already upon us!

  yesterday's jw annual meeting was held without a word...without any prior mention of it.

  anyone on this forum attend the event supposedly held via zoom?

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  DesirousOfChange

  Will the last person leaving the Watchtower, please turn off the New Light. ~ Beth

  

  I just hope I'm still alive to see it.
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  A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

  by Giles Gray in

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  i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

  i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

  i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I sincerely regret my decades of support and apologetics. ~ ThomasMore

  DITTO!

  The greatest revenge is a happy and successful life!
  
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  Had to laugh.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  i had to laugh.. i bumped into a friend who has started going back to the meetings and who has that enthusiastic arm-waving way of talking about the stuff they're hearing from the platform.. in part he's wittering on about some talk they'd had about king david and all of his ups and downs.

  and says, "and as the speaker emphasized over and over again, we can imitate david because he was a man just like ourselves.".

  " i finally interrupted.. that shut him up.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I always thought using King David as the standard for a "righteous man" was a pretty low bar. I think I'll be OK based on that.