DesirousOfChange

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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  DesirousOfChange

  As far as I am aware, that is still "current light".

  What I have NOT seen is any recent bashing of the UN as the "Image" of the Wild Beast.
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  Nephilim...Only desired females

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  2. bible

  bible questions answered.

  who were the nephilim?.

  the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Nephilim only desired females.

  Let's reason this out.

  The Nephilim were perfect angelic creatures who materialized as men.

  The Nephilim only desired females -- members of the opposite sex from which they had materialized.

  Does this not make same-sex attraction a matter of "imperfection"?

  [Just kidding! Just kidding! No hate crime committed. I'm just "stirring the shit". Must be bored this morn. But isn't that "logical" JW reasoning?]
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  Nephilim...Only desired females

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  bible questions answered.

  who were the nephilim?.

  the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

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  DesirousOfChange

  repeated fantasies dont magically render them to be facts

  OH NO! Does this mean that there really is no Santa Claus?

  Virginia
  
  
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  Former Elders Please - Disbeliever recently married to a JW

  by doasthouwilt in

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  2. friends

  i recently married my best friend of 32 years.

  she is a life-long jw and once an active pioneer, i am a 'worldly' person through-and-through, always will be.

  we married because it was the only way we could find a way of staying together while giving her a path back to her religion ultimately, which she does not want to (or cannot) let go of.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Why does your wife want to be part of a high control family wrecking organization.
  If your wife needs religion, why not join a real church where there is love and your past is your past and no one will question you or her about what you did a few years ago. ~ Vander

  It doesn't (and likely cannot) make any sense to an "outsider". As a former JW, I feel exactly what she is going through. She's probably in some real pain from cognitive dissonance. She's coming to see that what she has so devoutly believed for so long, just does not make sense any more. She is likely blaming her falling in love with a "worldly man" as a test from Satan, which she has failed.

  Let's review: It's a Cult!
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  Future

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wonder what this earth will really be like in 500 years from now?.

  what are your thoughts?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I'll say it has a chance of some kind of survival for 50 years, though I'm glad I won't have to witness it.

  I don't see how things can continue on here another 500 years without some dumbass (like the little guy in N Korea) fucking it up with his big boy toys. I can see mass starvation and only those who can truly fend for themselves (including defend themselves) and "live off the land" will survive.
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  New rules for inactive ones?

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have the rules changed as far as disfellowshipping inactive ones when it's clear they are engaged in "wrongdoing?".

  i have a cousin in seattle who was disfellowshipped about 3 years ago or so and then went through the process of being reinstated (took only 6 months) and then proceeded to fade and do nothing regarding the jw's .

  fast forward to today and now she's had a baby out of wedlock and the uber jw elder father and mother are all on board somehow.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Oh and by the way, at the time, the congregation that disfellowshipped their publisher was run by the elder whose story began this post! ~ Lost

  It's not unusual for someone who has hidden sins or feels guilty about their conduct to be a hard ass when judging others. All this time, they are also in fact judging themselves harshly for the indiscretion. They just cant bear to face the consequences of repenting to someone (ie, elders) and they will often excuse it because they are saving someone else (wife, family , etc) the pain of dealing with the consequences they would have.
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  Former Elders Please - Disbeliever recently married to a JW

  by doasthouwilt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently married my best friend of 32 years.

  she is a life-long jw and once an active pioneer, i am a 'worldly' person through-and-through, always will be.

  we married because it was the only way we could find a way of staying together while giving her a path back to her religion ultimately, which she does not want to (or cannot) let go of.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I've read thru all of this.

  1) She is still "active" and has even pioneered in the past recently.

  2) During this time, she has been in a (unmarried) sexual relationship with you for two years.

  3) The two of you have now married, and she is considering confession to the Elders.

  If this is correct, I believe if she tells it like it is (like it is stated above), she WILL BE disfellowshipped. Latest info on on-going sins (2-years kinda qualifies, don't ya think) is that one cannot suddenly find remorse and prove "works of repentance" enough to be "forgiven by the Cong" and only be disciplined by "reproof" -- which can by private -- to her alone; or public reproof -- where an announcement is made to the Cong that So-and-So has been reproved by a judicial committee but remains an active member of the Cong.

  Two years screwing around? She'll be disfellowshipped. It will likely be AT LEAST a year before she can request a meeting with those Elders to consider being "reinstated" into the Cong. She will have had to attend EVERY meeting, sing the songs, study (underline in) her Watchtower, etc etc (BUT NO SPEAKING TO ANYONE). Expect reinstatement to be at least 18 months, but more likely at least 2 years, especially since this is not her first offense of formication. They will not suggest she leave you or divorce you because marriage is "holy" even if it is with an "unbeliever".

  It probably would help if you attended and feigned some kind of interest. Say like, the reason you were attracted to her was because of her high morals which are a result of her religion. You realize how terribly you damaged her relationship with Joe Hoover and you feel really bad about it, too. But then they'd probably suggest a Bible Study for you with some Elder.

  The alternative action is to lie and say the "dirty deed" only occurred ONE TIME and she insisted you marry each other to "make things right" and that she is crushed and so repentant and beg forgiveness. THAT would have a good chance of yielding only "public reproof" with restrictions from commenting, etc for 6-12 months.

  She probably does not want to LIE! OMG! That's such a major sin. Of course, boinking dozens of times over the past two years didn't seem like a big deal. But lying does. (That is certainly a "Ya can't fix stupid!" kind of reasoning, right?)

  Psalms 32:5 says to "confess your sins TO GOD". It does NOT say to confess to 3 elders. If she considers that, she may decide that she has already confessed to God and these 3 men do not really deserve the whole story or the full accounting. JW's claim that you must only "tell the truth" to those deserving to know. Psalms says GOD DESERVES TO KNOW -- CONFESS TO HIM.

  James 5:16 says to "confess your sins to one another". JW's twist that to mean that you must confess to the Elders or "Older Men", but note -- that is NOT what James wrote.

  Good luck! Hope it goes well for both of you!

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
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  How many preaching hours are real

  by Hellothere in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how much of the preaching hours in yearly report you think are real?

  they always have high numbers preaching hours.

  probably increase every decade.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Maybe 10%
  
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  Christmas, yes or no ?

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just started to steep the mincemeat for my mince pies in dark rum .

  christmas is a big deal in my family and circle of friends.

  however among ex jws it's a bit different or so l understand.

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  DesirousOfChange

  No. Can't "miss it" as I never had it. (Kinda like Punk above.)

  I think too many families go way overboard on it and go into debt and it becomes a source of financial (and maybe relationship) trouble.

  We take the grandkids to see the lights at several major displays here. One of which was very religious in relating the Christian Story Of Christmas and we thought it "odd" that they were not familiar with the Christmas Story even though they and their parents celebrate it as far as gift giving, etc. Seems to me that just being a member of our society here (USA) they should understand the Story of it all. BUT not my job to teach them. They have parents.

  It's just way too commercial. We don't need a thing in the way of gifts. We're "blessed" in that way. Surely do not need another tie (won't ever wear one again)..........or sweater, etc. The only really good aspect of it is that everyone has the day off and it's possible to get together as a family. (Something we would not even consider doing when JDubs.)
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  How get out of watchtower?

  by Hellothere in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how do you get out of watchtower?

  am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?

  how are the steps.

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  DesirousOfChange

  If you want to make it easier on your JW mother/family to associate with you, it is better NOT to do a formal disassociation. Just "fade into the sunset". Say you are stumbled, or depressed, or busy. Just STFU and ignore any attempts to encourage you or to have a discussion with you. (It bugs the hell outta them!)