atlantis, is there anywhere else that the watchtower admits that disfellowshipping or excommunication is pagan?.
sure, they said the same thing back in 1880 about a lot of churches being like the beast for practicing excommunication.. as papacy established the priesthood over the church, soprotestantism has established almost the same, and there isno opportunity for the body to edify itself, every joint takingpart.
true, there is a seeming show of liberty at prayer meetings,&c., but it is only upon the surface, for the ordainedpastor is to watch zealously lest anything contrary to theteachings of his church should be expressed, and if so tosilence the audacious member at once, for the church creedis the rule, not the word of god.
And do not forget, that the WT lawyer testifying in court in Canada swore that disfellowshipping does not require the shunning (or breaking up) of families.
I know some JWs are are accepting this as "New Lite" and have made the decision to have limited association with their DF/DA family members under the guise of "necessary family business".
are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .
I think their reasoning could be that if they can just get past the CSA scandals........ they will survive.
I believe they have plugged the hole in the dike by taking extreme measures if there is even a "hint" of any kind of misconduct involving a child. While they were once too lax, the lawsuits have forced them to review their policies and operations so as to avoid any more liability. (Yes, it is about avoiding the liability more than avoiding injury to a child.) But no one ever imagined various States relaxing the statute of limitations on victims seeking financial restitution. As a result, cases from decades past are finding their way into the Court system and costing them MILLION$. I suspect there are many more settlements (with gag orders) than there are cases that go to court. Both the victims and their attorneys are wanting to see the CA$H awards. It is much quicker to agree to a smaller settlement "now" than face years of jockeying back and forth in the Courts. Thus, attorneys push for a quick cash settlement to get their 30% fee rather than spend 10's or 100's of thousand$ of dollars and years and years of depositions, postponements, etc, etc for what might prove to be only a little (or even no) better of an award.
And of course, WTS/GB may be counting on Armageddon bailing them out before they are bankrupt.
this young jw lady was shunned by her parents since she was 18 or 19 years old.
she was befriended by the older man that you see in the picture.
perhaps you recognize him?
The Kellens will be held in high esteem for their sacrifice and proving faithful to Jehover The JW Borg.
Let's review: It's a Cult!
if not, what's in it for the gb?.
but seriously, how is it supposed to work?
pictures of jws in paradise show them raising crops, wearing clothes and building houses.
Jehover will provide!
this is just one of several sore subjects for me concerning growing up in the toxic cult known as jehovah's witnesses.
health care.
specifically, dentistry.
Go for it! I'm certain you will never regret it!
even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
Then the other talks with new lite about last minute repentance, this was the ground breaking new lite that means nothing else matters anymore. You don’t have to stay physically in you could wait and see if the GB were right after all. The only ones who know about this new lite are those who were at the AGM or naughty apostates who watched the leaked footage.
PIMOs should be on guard!! The fact that they KNOW of this New Lite would be incriminating if they mention it to the wrong person!
found this on fb from the recent losch talk.
time for a new business model?.
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We know of a family where all are now POMO, but as they were awakening to TTATT they first stopped reporting time. After the first couple of months, no more calls. Then they stopped attending meetings. Nothing. Then they ceased their monthly donation via the website. Calls started immediately. IS ANYTHING WRONG???????
That clinched it. They were outta there!
I cannot see them doing an "official" tithe, as the Mormons do. (And the Mormons check to confirm.) But, they have already instituted a "suggested" donation on a per publisher basis. That started long ago at Assembly Halls. If the assembly donations came up short of the "suggested" amount, the COBEs were informed and the Cong was to "donate" the balance due on a per head basis.
Now, it appears this average monthly "donation" per person has been implemented on each Cong. They hope that will be the MINIMUM donation for each Cong member (publisher?). Many will give more out of guilt or to show off. Now they will have a fixed contribution amount on which they can depend hitting their bank account every month.
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
The top brass at WTS has to be LMAO when seeing the turmoil/contention in the "apostate" community. ("Obviously™, such ones have lost Jeehover's Spirit.")
just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .
be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?
i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.
There was lengthy discussion of tithing in Israel, with a buildup to the extent that I almost thought they were going to suggest 10% donation or something like that. But no, they left donations voluntary.
PIMO friends tell me that their Cong just asked all Pubs to complete a written form that commits them to a monthly contribution. Said that this commitment is needed so the WTS will know how much they can depend on when considering foreign building projects (new KHalls hahaha) around the globe. No specific amount was suggested, but I expect the elders have been told what is "projected" to be contributed by each Cong based on cost per Pub basis, just like the assembly cost arrangement.
what else has changed?.
during the many years i have been df'd the org has printed a new bible, new song book, doctrinal changes, so has anything changed re reinstating someone?.
i'm contemplating the leap for family reasons but due to my job and young family commitments there is no way i would be able to attend every meeting for months on end.
Agree with Sanchy. At least that was the way it worked before I left.
One thing that would weigh in is WHY were you DF? IF "apostacy", or if you are considered "apostate" now, then you'd likely be given much more scrutiny and require a longer show of repentance than if it was just plain ole ordinary things like fornication/adultery, drinking, etc
I think the best approach would be that you see all the things going on in the World and it PROVES that The End is very, very near.
