DesirousOfChange

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  Geoffrey Jackson has a beard now

  by Tahoe in

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  DesirousOfChange

  If it is faked, then eff whoever did it. I'm sick of not being able to trust stuff I see, hear, and read. ~ Magnum

  Magnum is "right on"!

  Any time you mention a critical article or video to a JW, their reply will be that you cannot trust anything posted on the internet because it's likely something apostates have photoshopped or falsified to discredit "the brothers". There is plenty to be said about the bOrganization without having to fake it.

  Anyone who does this is just fueling their persecution complex.
  
  
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  Hotels for convention

  by ElderBerry in

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  a department in bethel wants to try to make money from regional conventions by asking local hotels if they will give a special rate and a coupon code to give to jws.. .

  they should just keep it simple and not be greedy for dishonest gain.. .

  this year some convention sites the hotels said no thank you i think the jws are going to book with us anyway.

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  Why do the brothers at Bethel spend so much time talking to hotel managers and trying to get some of the profits from JWs staying with them.

  I don't think the WTS makes "a profit" or any kind of monetary kickback or commission from the "approved" hotels, but rather, I think they get x number of FREE rooms which they use for CO's, DO's, and Bethel delegates. Any free rooms that they do not use for these privileged delegates are often "sold" on a "contribution basis" to local brothers by the WT Rooming Dept.

  This is not an isolated WT policy about greed. It is a common business practice when groups arrange conventions/meetings in any city. Often the City Tourism Commission will assist these groups as they want to rent their convention hall venue and they want to bring tourism dollars to their city. My wife and I were delegates/attendees of a lobbyist group where my biz is a member and we stayed at Trump Tower at a negotiated rate of about 65% of any other rate I could find available. I'm sure the lobbyists themselves had rooms comped to them because their grouped guaranteed x number of bookings.

  I'm not defending WT, other than saying it's what any savvy business group would do.
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  The Role of Artificial Intelligence in Religion.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

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  i spotted this article on an irish news channel's webpage and thought you might have something to say about the idea.

  perhaps in the future jws will replace their robotic elders with actual robots, what do you think?

  we could consult with ai jesus to see what he thinks about the idea.

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  Evidence of any kind of intelligence would be an improvement.
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  Essential Beliefs

  by LeeMerk in

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  if the watchtower really wants to move more mainstream they need to take a lesson from evangelicals in the united states.

  they seem to say there are "essential beliefs".

  a handful of core beliefs that are necessary to be considered true christians.

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  Well, now that is an idea...but...from where I sit the only real core belief is the GB is boss ( voice of Jesus ) and you have to obey any core belief they say, even if they change that same core belief in the blink of an eye. Obedience to them is their core belief. So if they were to honestly publsh a core belief it would be...OBEY the GB or else.

  They did publish that in 2013 WT Nov 15, pg 20
  
  
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  the toll of being PIMO

  by enoughisenough in

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  for those of you who are pimo, how do you feel it may be effecting your mental and physical health?

  is it easy to pretend to be what you are not?

  how do you feel about falsely supporting the pimi which builds them up and therefore an org you don't believe in?

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  I suspect there are many of the “but it’s still the closest thing to Bible Truth” class. They’ll go along giving their tacit approval to any of the new doctrinal changes (new light) but just continue on doing things they same way they have always done. No blatant breaking of the “rules” but little indiscretions don’t count.
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  Geoffrey Jackson has a beard now

  by Tahoe in

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  I think he looks a hell of a lot better with the beard
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  Essential Beliefs

  by LeeMerk in

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  if the watchtower really wants to move more mainstream they need to take a lesson from evangelicals in the united states.

  they seem to say there are "essential beliefs".

  a handful of core beliefs that are necessary to be considered true christians.

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  I don’t see them ever “willingly“ adopting those changes, but they very well may be forced to if they continue to be “persecuted“ by the worldly governments for their policies that violate basic human rights such as shunning.
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  So what happens next...

  by Farmer Jim1 in

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  with what is arguably the biggest change to jw life in recent decades (the scrapping of publishers counting hours) what does this lead to?.

  in my mind these are the results;.

  1) a massive decrease in 'preaching hours'.

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  I'm kind of late to this topic, but I thought that when the DO's were cut that there would be some kind of downsizing of CO's. The problem though might be that the CO's are now the "Company Men" for the Borg. The CO is who audits the BOOK$ and handling of the FUND$ in behalf of WT. They also inspect the condition of the KHall to see that WT's investment is being maintained in top shape.

  Currently, CO's make two visits each year to each Cong. So, I think they could cut the CO's by 50% by only having ONE visit per year by the actual CO, and have a sub-CO (or a CO-wanna-be) from the circuit (or better yet, a nearby circuit) to do the other visit. Congs would still pick up the expenses of the sub-CO, but WT would not have to provide healthcare to the CO & COW (big issue in the USA). With this in place, a CO could now cover twice the number of Congs.

  Remember, you heard it here first!
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  My decision.

  by MissDaSilva in

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  i’ve decided to disassociate from the jw organisation.

  i cannot be part of a community that blatantly rejects the sacrifice of jesus in that demonic memorial ritual.

  amazing what information you find when you start researching.. i’m writing my letter and posting it to the kingdom hall this morning.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Teddnzo, I completely understand what you are saying. You've gotten some grief here from posters, but I think the majority will agree that YOU should do what is good/best for YOU. We have close family who are PIMO, and they stay "IN" for much the same reasons that you state. They find it is a good social network and their choice of lifestyle does not conflict with JW ideals. Still, they strongly disagree with some JW standards. I know if it came to a life-or-death situation, they would agree to a transfusion. They sent their kids to college (though I will add that all but one are no longer JWs).

  My wife and I have considered this more than once. We surely would have preferred not to lose our network of (though they be conditional) friends. But we agree with your statement that these people are "trapped" -- Captives of the Cult. Our choice to not do so was more based on the fact that we feared others would base their adherence to the Cult on the basis that we appeared to be doing the same. We do not want to give the appearance that we are good, toe-the-line, devout JWs. There is just too much crap in the JW system that is WRONG. It will need many more serious changes before we can give tacit approval.
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

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  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  DesirousOfChange

  Eventually, you get to the point where your asking yourself, “Wait… if they’re effectively admitting they’ve gotten this wrong, what else are they wrong about? Evolution? Armageddon? The claim of ‘God’s Exclusive Earthly Organization’?”

  
  

  Of course, some will just always drink the KoolAid.