DesirousOfChange

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  "Slimboyfat" response why I have Witnesses for dinner.

  by Witness 007 in

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  he asked why we have them over for dinner....we are not disfellowshiped just faded away so we can still have dinner with witness friends now we have known for 10 years.

  alot of "faders" do same.

  you might listen to afew dumb scriptures from them but still friends..

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  DesirousOfChange

  Its hard to walk away from friendships but I found that over time, the hardcore JW friends I had couldn't handle any doubt cast on their beliefs and it was easier to part ways.

  I find that true. I "stepped down" 25 years ago and started my doubting phase about 5 years later. Then took another 10 years to completely fade. I had one elder friend (elder in both ways) who kept in touch and we exchanged calls every couple of months. That final phase finally ended a year or two ago when the calls stopped.

  I wonder what keeps him going as he is an intelligent guy and has witnessed all the same issues that caused my doubts, but he's still there. Most of his children are PIMI, so he has that at risk if he would leave, but at 80-ish, "where would he go"?
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  They are running out of people to do their stuff.

  by liam in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the watchtower study article being studied today.

  so it’s the current new light!.

  what are the new qualifications to be an “elder-aka older man...and circuit overseer?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  There is a window just under teens or perhaps early teens and if the young person doesn’t get baptised at that time then that’s it. They go through to 20s unbaptised then that’s it they leave

  And based on events I am hearing, they are aggressively working to keep that generation from leaving. A PIMO family member tells me there is an unbaptised 10 or 11 year old son of one of the prominent elders who is now walking the mics.
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  What was your deconstruction process from being a jw?

  by Touchofgrey in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i became aware of jws and the un ,so i checked the internet and found it was true that they were a member, and that led me down the rabbits hole and started to look into the history of the bible students and the behaviour of russell and rutherford etc ,and how much the teaching changed and the internal politics and the failed end of the world teachings etc.. i then found myself in a no man's land regarding god and the bible, i then began to use critical thinking regarding the bible and if there was a god , looking into the origins of the bible and it's stories eg adam and eve story, flood legends, exodus from egypt and if the jesus story was historical or not etc .. looking at the origin of our universe and the planet earth led me to the conclusion that no god exists.

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  the purpose of this topic is just to understand your deconstruction purpose from the jws and not to get into arguments about our now held beliefs or lack of.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I was a true believer. Hook. Line. And sinker. I even convinced myself that the 1995 "generation new light" (to'te) made sense. (WTF was I thinking?)

  But the several events made me question the divine direction of the Holy Spirit.

  An MS who was appointed to Elder while he had been carrying on an adulterous affair for 8 years.

  An Elder who was assigned to give the Keynote talk at the District Assembly while having an adulterous affair with a women with whom he was "studying". He even delayed resigning and confessing until after the convention as he still believe the HS had elected him because he was "the best speaker to deliver that talk". (He only planned to be DFd for a little while.)

  Either they fooled the HS, or. . . . . . there is no HS direction.

  Seems like there is an obvious answer to that now.
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  Fancy dress up parties were banned by Elders after our 2nd one

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i grew up in a small town with lots of witnesses so being bored we had two fancy dress up parties now some brothers came with swords and fake guns as pirates or cowboys one brother who was a pioneer came dressed as a woman!

  the elders smashed us in a talk they gave and these fun parties were cancelled..

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  DesirousOfChange

  Country Line Dancing was "banned" in our circuit many years ago when it was popular. Seems that too many couples went from line dancing to the "horizontal tango" with each other's wife.
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  Video: I Am Not An Apostate . . . I Had The Courage To Think For Myself (By Exjw Danny)

  by AbaddonProvesIt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had the courage to think for myself!

  they’ll call us apostates.

  but really, we just had the courage to think for ourselves.

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  DesirousOfChange

  They must accept that Jehovah will [very, very] frequently mislead his people by giving the GB the wrong information or knowledge. (I fixed that omission for you.)
  If you come to the perfectly reasonable conclusion that a group of men who have to constantly correct themselves may not be getting their information direct from God... you are an apostate.

  Of course, they are not infallible nor inspired and they admitted in writing in the WT rag that they can "make mistakes in doctrine and organizational direction" and at the Annual Meeting they admitted sometimes often "they simply DO NOT KNOW".

  Deut 18:20-22

  20 But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.’

  21 “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ 22 If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared.
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  Books that are taboo C.O not happy lord of the rings

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so the c.o and his wife came over for dinner and of course checked out our library and saw lord of the rings and told us off for spiritism books...it's just a damn fantasy book the bible has more magic and devils in it.

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  We had the CO stay in our home many moons ago and he checked out our book shelves (several racy ones there) and our video library. He said he watched Schindler's List. (WOW! Rated R)
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  How Can The Governing Body Be Considered The "Channel Of Communication" From Jehovah Without Being Inspired . . . How Is That Possible???

  by AbaddonProvesIt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  video # 1,246: how can the governing body be considered the "channel of communication" from jehovah without being inspired .

  the collapse of governing body member jeffrey winder's arguments: a critical look at a jehovah's witness excuse [by watchtower examination, winston gillum - montego bay, jamaica].

  the governing body of jehovah's witnesses believe & teach millions upon millions of jehovah's witnesses world wide that they as a body, are not inspired or infallible.

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  DesirousOfChange

  THANK YOU BLONDIE!

  That is exactly the article to which I was referring. So, maybe we should add the following to it:

  Deuteronomy 18:20-22

  New International Version

  20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

  21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
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  How Can The Governing Body Be Considered The "Channel Of Communication" From Jehovah Without Being Inspired . . . How Is That Possible???

  by AbaddonProvesIt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  video # 1,246: how can the governing body be considered the "channel of communication" from jehovah without being inspired .

  the collapse of governing body member jeffrey winder's arguments: a critical look at a jehovah's witness excuse [by watchtower examination, winston gillum - montego bay, jamaica].

  the governing body of jehovah's witnesses believe & teach millions upon millions of jehovah's witnesses world wide that they as a body, are not inspired or infallible.

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  DesirousOfChange

  It does not mean that God tells them what to say or write. That would be a prophet. A prophet relays God's messages.

  FYI -- WT claimed in the WT to be God's "prophet". Seems like it was an issue in 1972. I'd take the time to look it up but . . . . .

  

  Look it up yourself, if you think you can deal with the cognitive dissonance.
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  WAR begins.

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  things are moving right along.

  “israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

  this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Although CNN does not mention any sources other than a vague agency, doesn’t show the report, who signed off on it. Just a ‘trust me bro’.

  OH! Is this the same CNN that said Trump would be in jail and Harris would be President?

  
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  WAR begins.

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  things are moving right along.

  “israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

  this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

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  DesirousOfChange

  so begins “the great rage”.

  I suppose that's supposed to be some OH SO PROPHETIC QUOTE from so old antiquated scroll that hasn't been correct about anything, but it's supposed to make us get excited and tremor.

  Same Bullshit, Different Day (Year, Decade, Century, etc)