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  are men more compliant than women

  by enoughisenough in

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  i watched a video once of men being trained ...it was a study.

  they had the men doing the most rediculous things-can't remember quite what now.

  so between that video, the letter to elders to keep their mouths shut about the koolaid, and to go along with the csa protocol, and what i will call insurance fraud by the jw, and who knows what other things the men in positions in the org go along with-these things prompt the question.

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  It's difficult to compare the compliance of men vs women in JW World since women aren't in the same positions as men as far as receiving direction from the Branch.

  But anyone who has served as an elder knows there are those men who LIVE FOR their position. For many of them it's the only time they garner any respect in their life (even from their wife & kids). Many of them are still so gullible about Jehovah's protection and direction in anything they are asked to do and just watch their ego (and hat size) expand when they are "privileged" to be entrusted with the task of following through on what the Service Desk or CO or Branch tells them to do without giving any thought that it may put them at personal risk.

  
  
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  The Saddest Thing About Tony Morris's Removal

  by NotFormer in

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  i've mentioned before how i've wondered how tony morris must have felt when he was sacked.

  yes, i know he's a rehensible human being who got served a healthy dose of karma, or, if you like, divine judgement.

  to go from having all there is to have within the world he lived in, to where he is now; that's a long fall.

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  there are no shortage of old-timers whom he could confide in about how he fought tooth and nail against the new beard policy for example. He strikes me as someone with a huge mouth and would love to shoot it off within selected company.

  Let's hope he "confides" in someone because we all know how well "Confidentiality" works in WT World. If Tony spills his guts, Atlantis/Grandpa will know soon.
  
  
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  2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

  by Witness 007 in

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  1914 generation is long gone.

  1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

  i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

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  I think some of Stan's suggestions are already happening, but some can never happen.

  Letting the blood issue fade away. They already forgive it if you just say you caved in to pressure and you're' sorry.

  Witnessing records go away. They have. No more reporting time.

  Be more appealing to young families. That's what the Mormons have done. They focus on family values vs their weird doctrine. Seems like WT follows the course of the Mormons on many things (like the cartoon kids). Clearly they are doing lots of video presentations for kids. But because of their DFing policy they are known more for "breaking up families". Expect that to change as pressure from various Governments prosecute them on that.

  Armageddon go away. Can't happen. That's their stick of the "carrot & stick".

  Make baptism optional. Can't see that happen. I think that is their "contract" that puts you under their control.

  Do away with Kingdom Halls. They have to have a place to serve the KoolAid and to have that "wholesome association" (though that is more at the Burger, Pizza & Beer joint following meetings). So, the sell off of excess inventory will continue and JWs will just have to drive farther -- which will be a test of their "spiritually".

  But those are some great ideas for the WT guys who read this to explore!!!!
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  2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  1914 generation is long gone.

  1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

  i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

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  How are you calling 1914 wrong without replacing it with something that can be right?
  

  I thought there was a lot of that going on at the Annual Meeting.

  We just do not know and cannot be dogmatic about it.
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  2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  1914 generation is long gone.

  1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

  i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

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  I'm curious if they will ever try to face their past. . . . At what point does the past become an albatross that they can no longer ignore? ~ Tonus

  It is not "THEIR' past. They (neither the current GB nor R&F) will ever own those past failures. The
  GB just want it to fade away. As for the R&F JW today, at least 50% are too young to recall the failure of 1975. They haven't even read about it -- because, (1) they don't read old literature; (2) they don't read apostate stuff; (3) they don't read.

  I heard a newly baptized JW answer in the WT Study that his Bible Study instructor explained for him that all those 1975 rumors he had heard about were FAKE NEWS (jk) or LIES that were being circulated by apostates. The WT/GB had NEVER made such statements. The WT Conductor let it pass without ANY kind of correction.

  Today, there is no emphasis on a date. It is just very soon - very, very soon. We are in the final minutes of the last day of The Last Days. Just look at HOW BAD THINGS ARE!! It must be ANY DAY NOW!

  In the next decade or so, many if not most of those who personally recall the 1975 prediction (made in 1966) will be dead, or dying, or too old to abandon the Cult anyway (sunk cost fallacy, as noted above).

  The JWs who have admitted it was wrong -- are mostly here.

  
  
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  Do or Do not Do

  by peacefulpete in

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  " (greece; 4th century bce)

  " (greece; 5th century bce)

  2nd century bce.

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  Do as we tell you to do or we will destroy you to all your friends and family.

  Yeah...............it's just not the same, is it!
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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  “The World” actually knew we had “The Truth” (and said with a straight face)

  
  

  
  
  
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  Conversation with old friend

  by LongHairGal in

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  i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.

  we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.

  i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.

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  I was disliked because . . . I had a decent figure I got criticized over. ~ LHG

  While that sounds a little unbelievable on its surface, it is exactly what happened to my wife when we moved into a new Cong. Two of the elders' wives had "widened out" in middle age and even made openly pejorative comments about her "size 6" in her presents in a service car group. Yes, it was said with a smile and "Bless Her Heart" kind of attitude. It took my wife a bit longer to realize how malicious they could really be due to their jealousy.

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
  
  
  
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  Has anyone heard of "Secret Disfellowshipping" by Jehovah's Witnesses? Menlo Park Ca. Congregation. Update.

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  no doubt everyone has been following the juan viejo postings regarding the watchtower kingdom hall "grab" on jwn for the last couple of years.

  called the mrs and me to say "wow- you have to google this" we did...came here to jwn ...became members..and the rest is history.. in the last nine months i have been calling and emailing contacts in the silicon valley for verification on the societies theft and forced sale of the menlo park kingdom hall (near the new facebook heaquarters) because the story seemed...a little far fetched.

  every reliable contact i made has confirmed what juan reported.

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  GB member Jackson answers/evades questions about religious freedom...

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many talk about jackson in regard to his response into the abuse of children, but this related clip is about freedom to leave the jw...i found myself thinking at several points, he is outright lying.

  (spiritual warfare in action?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuwnumcqsk&t=92s .

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  PROV 6:16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:

  17 haughty eyes,

  a lying tongue,

  hands that shed innocent blood,

  18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,

  feet that are quick to rush into evil,

  19 a false witness who pours out lies,

  and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

  Jackson's false and wicked scheming clearly fails on 3 of the 7 things God hates, and IMO it also sirs up dissension (or else we would not all be here).