DesirousOfChange

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  New light on shunning?

  by Mikejw in

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  2. beliefs

  one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

  he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

  what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I agree that there IS a distinction in the minds of Jehovah’s Witnesses regarding a Disfellowshipped person versus a Disassociated person.
  A Disfellowshipped person would be viewed as more ‘desirable’ in their eyes because they have a ‘weakness’ and the religion rejected them. They can ask to come back.
  Whereas a Disassociated person has seen through the religion and doesn’t want any of it!.. Very Bad in the egotistical religion’s eyes! How Dare anybody reject their magnificence!

  There are those who took the route of DAing to avoid the inquisition of 3 nosy-ass elders. Easier to give them the finger and send a letter saying FU, than giving them an audience where they treat you like shit.
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  A Positive Approach to discussing the changes - Gov Body Update Aftermath

  by Jehalapeno in

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  2. beliefs

  so, just got off a very emotional, but positive call with my father.. this past weekend, he wanted to give me a call, but i was out of town at a wedding, so he said he'd call me later in the week.. he texted me the governing body update video with the recent changes and said, "i thought you might be interested in some of the changes that were just announced.".

  i'm tired of self-censorship, so i decided to reply as truthfully and respectfully as i could.. my reply to him:.

  it's interesting.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Perhaps the loosening of how disfellowshipped ones being treated at the Kingdom Hall made it so his conscience allows him to open up the relationship again since I’m only “inactive” on paper?

  While you can still get soft shunned by most PIMI JWs for just being "inactive" (fading?), it is a great loophole for those who choose to go that route.
  
  
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? The recent changes and the Governing Body's 10 year plan

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am sure we were all shocked at the governing body update #2 with the unusual and impulsive changes set forth.. i am an insider at whq, and when i was on reddit and in communication with avoidjw i explained to the best of my ability that the approach on disfellowshipping was going to change based on the new light at the 2023 agm, that the jubilee rumor was false, and there were going to be changes on how jws approached disfellowshipping in response to the norway situation if it didn't turn out in watchtower's favor.

  the decision came because of a legal blow to watchtower, not because "holy spirit" wad directing a faithful slave, who is going to become the "evil slave", more explanation on this soon.. everything i stated came true.

  i left reddit exjw community due to the immature and mentally unstable nature there, and yet as has been the case my words came true.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I'm getting old. In a couple of weeks I'll forget he was even here.

  Weeks? You're doing pretty damn good there!

  Remind me to whom you were referring?
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  When will the Watchtower Society be desolated?

  by Hiddenservant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  did you know that the answer is provided in the scriptures through the 70 weeks prophecy?.

  daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy explained.. the 70 weeks were split into three parts.

  here is the reason why.. the prophecy is not only about the messiah, it is also about god’s people and the holy city, as verse 24 makes clear.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Shall we base our opinion on WT's lifespan, a modern multi-billion dollar corporation, on the 3000 year old writings of a goat herder?

  Makes sense considering how accurate all that other story telling has proven to be.
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  consequences for going against the direction.

  by jehovaxx in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are no serious consequences for doubting the gb.

  there are no consequences for going against the direction.

  we can now celebrate anything.. what will happen if you take blood, celebrate xmas and birthdays ect?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  This sounds like PR spin rather than an actual change

  We will have to see how all of these "drastic changes" really work in the real world of WT. So far, we see big changes in what's written for public consumption, but will it really be implemented? An even bigger question is: Will it ever be implemented with as drastic of changes and as liberally interpreted by the wishful thinking JWs and ex-JWs and PIMOs, etc?

  Will it really be evenly implemented in all locations? This drastic adjustment stems from issues WT is facing in Europe. They will never face these things in the USA due to the long-held "separation of Church and State" policy. US politicians do not want to alienate the Christian block of voters (and other denominations would rally against anything challenging that policy). So, IDK if we will really see it in practice here in the US as liberally as is suggested. Likely, a lot could depend on the local BOE. If the BOE is out to get ya, you better start your "fade", or at least relocate to a more friendly congo. Time will tell.
  
  
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  Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!

  by nowwhat? in

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  2. beliefs

  we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.

  it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.

  the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.

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  1975 was getting closer every year. But by 72 i'd decided i had enough--and resigned. Suddenly 75 didnt matter any more. - Stan

  You were "smarter than the average bear", Stan. I'm sure many of us wish we'd have made that decision years before we did!

  
  
  
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

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  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

  summary: .

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  DesirousOfChange

  It’s as if the GB are reading our suggestions here

  Without a doubt they have someone monitoring these sites. I have always felt that the people here are the people who formerly were the best & brightest in the organization. Our discussions here have often seemed to be the "outline" for future New Light.

  Your welcome WT!
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  ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. friends

  https://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.

  long island business news.

  march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.

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  DesirousOfChange

  However, the facility in Fishkill for retirees is full per the last report I heard. Space only gets freed up upon someone's death. I was told they needed more space for older B'lites who were getting too old to work, past the age of being sent out.

  Thomas, is this some type of "nursing home" facility? I seem to recall Judah Ben's FIL getting involved in some kind of elderly care facility which I assumed was for JW's and would rely on Medicaid funds but yes, it would come under State regulations. WT knows how to milk the system. Any chance this is the same place?
  
  
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  An april afternoon with Steven Lett in Amsterdam

  by Gorb in

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  2. friends

  in april, on a sunday afternoon the ajax soccer stadium in amsterdam will be filled with all dutch witnesses for a special visit of steven lett.. never done before in holland.

  ofcourse it will be better then ever.

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  DesirousOfChange

  

  He'll still look like a clown in any language!
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  Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.

  i did a quick search and did not see it.

  https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.

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  DesirousOfChange

  The title says "Elder".

  Thank you for clarifying, Earnest!

  So, unless abuse was reported to the BOE and they failed to take action to prevent further abuse, I don't see where the Congregation or Organization is culpable. I AM NOT defending WT regarding their CSA issues, but I don't see their involvement here. Surely, the man is a monster. He has forever f#cked up the lives of these victims.