AiAi

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  Please help!! My friend is now a return visit / doorstep study!

  by AiAi in

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  i have a friend that is a youth minister for a local church.

  he has a very good understanding of scripture and we frequently have interesting discussions.

  we have talked about jw beliefs before and he is always surprised to find that they can really believe what they do.

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  DanaBug, you bring up a very good point about what 'before' means

  Black Sheep, I always like your take on things and you comment is exactly what me and my friend need to help us not overwhelm my brother. One question though, what did you mean by:

  Saying screeds on a slightly related subject

  Ding, you are right he needs to be careful. I think he has a solid enough foundation in faith to do fine though...

  NeonMadman, those are great points but not quite on the subject at hand. I am sure they will help as the 'study' evolves though

  Band on the Run, ?????????????????????????????????

  Billy, that would be an interesting study....wish I had one

  Mrquik, I think we will overall address the validation of their religion; just not all at once

  Vander, I have not had a chance to finish the video yet but I will. please feel free to PM me anything you think would help!

  Moshe, you are definately right. I tried to explain to him he can either be right or have them come back but not both, at least yet. So far what the plan is is too double check everything he wants to share from his bible by referencing the NWT until he is officialy offered one. It wont be easy but my friend doesnt mind losing an argument if he can win a soul
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  Please help!! My friend is now a return visit / doorstep study!

  by AiAi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have a friend that is a youth minister for a local church.

  he has a very good understanding of scripture and we frequently have interesting discussions.

  we have talked about jw beliefs before and he is always surprised to find that they can really believe what they do.

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  Wow, thats awesome DanaBug, thank you! I am so rusty on this topic and before when I went over it I was already convinced they were wrong about everything, so sadly I am not as good at refuting their reasoning here as I am on other topics.
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  Please help!! My friend is now a return visit / doorstep study!

  by AiAi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have a friend that is a youth minister for a local church.

  he has a very good understanding of scripture and we frequently have interesting discussions.

  we have talked about jw beliefs before and he is always surprised to find that they can really believe what they do.

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  AiAi

  I have a friend that is a youth minister for a local church. He has a very good understanding of scripture and we frequently have interesting discussions. We have talked about JW beliefs before and he is always surprised to find that they can really believe what they do. He is not too familiar with their doctrine though.

  Even before I DAd my brother would refuse to talk to me about anything biblical. Now he will not talk to me at all. I know that he is smart and would leave givin the right circumstances but the shunning policy has effectively shut me out.

  So when I got a call the other day from my friend letting me know that my brother had come by in service and left some literature with him I was pleasantly surprised. From our discussions of the cult before my friend knows that he should slowly prove them wrong so he just listened and then invited them back next week.

  What I need help with is what should our strategy be to prove their doctrine wrong but keep them comming back? Even more important is what points can be made to make my brother think? I know he wont be convinced quickly but if my friend can give him doubts it will start the process (I hope).

  The topic at hand right now is whether we go to heaven or paradise and the difference between the other sheep and the 144000. So far I have advised my friend to make sure they stay on topic and have given him a copy of the reasoning book.

  I will update as the topic changes or the situation does, but with what I have said so far does anyone have any advice on how to proceed? I am worried that we will move to quickly in shattering their beliefs and they will stop listening and coming back
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  Where do you go JW

  by I need a lot of help in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is the middle of winter 12o out side.

  you are a jw sitting in a movie theater watching a pg movie.

  20 miles from home and 18 miles from kh.

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  If the big A happened and any apostates were saved as well would they still shun us?
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  Why do the JWs have such an aversion to philosophy?

  by Darth Eowyn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean, they seem to avoid it like the plague.

  i know people will say that they only need the bible to guide them in life...etc...but i contend that you cannot simply read the bible by yourself; at least without knowing where the philosophical principles contained within the bible come from.

  is this aversion of confusing philosophy with faith way over the head of most jws?

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  January 15, 1983 Watchtower page 27, "Fight against independent thinking."

  If you cant just blindly accept what they have to say you need to read the watchtower more to strengthen your weak faith. And why look into philosophy when they are already telling you the truth? Obviously its a waste of time that could be better spent in service
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  How long did it take until you had that 'light bulb' moment?

  by Crash Override in

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  2. experiences

  how long did it take for you to realize that something was very wrong with the 'truth'?.

  for me, it was about 2 1/2 years into studying.

  i'm a guy and i'm attracted to both guys and girls.

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  I had always told myself that since the society always took such a strong stance on being directed by god that if they were wrong about ANYTHING they were not god's people. But when I started doing research it was not so easy to break their hold. For me finding Deut 18:20-22 was the 'light bulb' moment. There was no way they could explain away such a clearly worded and straightforward scripture as that. Sadly it took almost another year until I was 100% convinced they were wrong.
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  How Many People Are Still Happy That They Married Their Mate?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  i know of someone that has made no bones about being somewhat unhappily married.

  they got married because they "fooled around" and felt it was the "right thing to do".. i wonder how many people are unhappily married?

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  Just hit the 5 year mark a month ago! Its goin better than ever. from getting married at 18 while she was pregnant to leaving the borg to joining the army we have made it through and ended up stronger each time. I think it was more luck than anything I did though. So I would say I am still happy....but then again I am not the one that has to put up with me :p
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  My Letter To the Watchtower

  by AiAi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is an exact copy of my letter to the watchtower.

  it never recieved a reply (i did not include 'attn writing committee' in the address however).

  please keep in mind that when i wrote this i had just started my intensive research into their beliefs/history, and despite my agressive tone i really did expect a satisfactory answer.

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  They did not think I was worthy of a personal answer from them

  Really? Did they have any excuse for that?
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  My Letter To the Watchtower

  by AiAi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is an exact copy of my letter to the watchtower.

  it never recieved a reply (i did not include 'attn writing committee' in the address however).

  please keep in mind that when i wrote this i had just started my intensive research into their beliefs/history, and despite my agressive tone i really did expect a satisfactory answer.

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  Nobleheart I did include my name and congregation. I wouldnt say I was courages enough to send it, just stupid enough to do all that research and STILL send it lol. Luckily elders avoid my house now

  Eiben Scrood I have to agree with generation point you made. In fact it seems so 'scrood' up that I barely skirted the subject, as I am sure you could tell.
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  My Letter To the Watchtower

  by AiAi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is an exact copy of my letter to the watchtower.

  it never recieved a reply (i did not include 'attn writing committee' in the address however).

  please keep in mind that when i wrote this i had just started my intensive research into their beliefs/history, and despite my agressive tone i really did expect a satisfactory answer.

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  AiAi

  I am sure you are all right that I should have made the letter shorter. But once I started it I just could not stop writing. It was all I could do to end it where I did and not go deeper into the subjects or bring up others. Since then I have wanted to write another concerning medical issues and the implications of people dieing from refusing organ transplants or other things that are now acceptable but cant get the same enthusiasm I had before. Now I know they cant answer.

  Something that tied my hands writting this one is I had done little online research because I was too scared of you evil apostates. So I only used evedence from the WTLB (minus the millions now living) and no outside evidence or older magazines that could be dismissed away.