Posts by Larry

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MY COUSIN RETURNS Franz' book TO ME - THANKS BUT NO THANKS

by JT in

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we invited them into the family room , their eyes just popped for they recall when lady ?c?

and i got married and was living in the basement of an older couples home so that after leaving bethel-------- i could stay in the full time work, we were shooting for the traveling work.

as he put it, you all done went materialistic on us.

Larry

JT - I read your threads with much interest b/c they are very insightful - Talk about 'Inside Stuff' :) And they trigger my thinking facilities - thanks .

Your cousin, Dennis reminds me of the movie "Days of Wine and Roses" When Jack Lemmon, the alcoholic, gets cure but in the process his wife, Lee Remick, becomes an alcoholic. After many arguments and bad experiences he can't understand why she still prefers the bottle. Then she explains "But I like being an alcoholic, I don't want to be cured."

Your cousins reminds me of that line "I don't want to be cured." despite his bad experiences. Seems like his security, is in his addiction, which in this case is his beliefs, just as alcohol, drugs, or any thing addictive is the security for an addict.

I think your cousin will see the light, when he is ready - "The teacher will come when the student is ready." And if he is never ready, then at least he has his security (false) which gives him a reason for living.

Your cousin reminds us all of the times when we vehemently refused any anti-jw literature.

The power of the mind always amazes me - How one time we can die for BORG without hesitation to wanting to die for being part of the BORG. Which further makes me think how transience my thoughts, ideas, and opinions are b/c they are based on what I believe at that time. My thoughts, ideas, and opinions change with time, experience, and education. What I adamantly believe today, will change over time. My thoughts, ideas, and opinions are my security, but I know it's based on circumstances, which makes it all so transience.

I love your last line "Which is such an oxymoron for jw have always prided themselves in wanting to know the TRUTH ABOUT A MATTer BUT the fact is only if it is the truth according to the Boys in Writing-" So true! Makes me laugh at their trademark term "The Truth". Yeah right, any but the truth. "Reasoning from the Scriptures" Ha - Should be "Reasoning from the Boys in Writing" or "Reasoning that is Flawed." The logic the BORG taught me to have is the same logic that made me leave.

All the best in your efforts.

Peace - Larry :)

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The crumbling of one's life

by Nosferatu in

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can any of you relate to this?.

a man has met a very beautiful woman, and is attracted to her.

she is likewise attracted to him.

Larry

This is a keeper.

Thxs - Larry :)

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Would the world be a better place without religion?

by micheal in

i understand we all need guidance and some people need hope, even if it is not real.

but personally, i believe religion has caused so many hideous crimes against humanity that it is something we would all be better off without.. it really is too bad that religion has capitalized on humankind's need for a divine being to only abuse and control its fellow humans.. so, what do you think?

would we be better of without religion?.

Larry

MOS DEF !!!

Reminds me of John Lennon's song:

Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

Peace - LL :)

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How Many Here Left The Organization? How Many Got Kicked Out??

by minimus in

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just curious.....

Larry

Left, disassociated myself.

Peace - LL :)

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Do you love to dance?

by Maverick in

i love weddings cause, "love is in the air", and you can ask any woman to dance and not get shut down.

when i went to vegas and we hit all the night clubs you could see all the couples sitting there around the dance floor, the women bobbing up and down off their seats and their guys sunk down with their butts glued to the chair.

even though i am not the best dancer, being one of those men willing to "shake that thing" i had a great time.

Larry

Love to dance Hip Hop / R&B

Peace - LL :)

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Summer pictures

by jwbot in

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well summer is almost over...i only have a week left before school starts.. i put together this small collection of my best summer photographs to share with everyone:.

.

Larry

Wow - Those are great photos. Will you have a fall, winter, and spring collection?

Peace - LL:)

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"Streets of Philadelphia" by The Boss...........

by Sunnygal41 in

the other day, i was in my car and this hauntingly poignant song came on the radio.........the feelings it evoked were so deep and exquisite, i just wanted to share the words with you here.........anyone heard this song and care to comment on it?.

ter.

streets of philadelphia.

Larry

Great song. On the soundtrack from the 'Philadelphia' movie. If you haven't heard the soundtrack I think you would enjoy it.

Peace - LL :)

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Michael Jackson (JW?) attends AME Church????

by blondie in

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the pop star - who is a jehovah's witness - was mobbed by fans after he arrived at the first ame church and thanked some children for their support.. .

jackson's attorney, mesereau attended the morning service along with his famous client who was introduced to the congregation.. .

following the service, jackson walked to a nearby sunday school classroom to thank some children for sending him letters of support.. .

Larry

He's also on the front page of the Daily News w/ his sisters:

http://www.nydailynews.com/

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Question... Do JWs shun Family?

by Sassy in

i had a disagreement with xq in chat today, because he was trying to say that jws for the most part disobey the wts and still treat family like family even if they are dfd or quit being witnesses.. i don't feel that is true.

i think that the majority of us on here who no longer are jws have family members who no longer have anything to do with us and shun us.... so i said it would be interesting to take a poll and see how many here are treated just like all the rest of your 'loving family' who is a jw still.......are you treated the same?.

does family shun you for being df'd, da'd or no longer participating?or do they hide and talk to you but only when other active jws can't see?

Larry

Yes they do. I wrote a poem about it:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/76634/1.ashx

Peace - Larry :)

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Something I posted in my LiveJournal....

by Tuesday in

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would appreciate any comments if possible....thanks in advance.

(sorry had to take out the names but i have them all in my actual journal...here's to hoping no one i know finds the journal eh?

tuesday, august 17th, 2004 12:12 am a loss for words... a loss for words is one of the last things i would say for myself when it comes to typing, writing in this journal or writing an e-mail.

Larry

Tuesday - Great piece. I think this is exactly why we have boards like this - They help us release??..

Good question - "how do you describe blue to a person who never saw blue before?" It can't be done, at least from our perspective. But a blind person has ways of 'seeing' that we are not aware of. I once heard from a blind person that "seeing is not only done with the eyes."

Anyway, I like the analogy of describing something never seen before, because in ties in with your point about faith. I don't have the faith in religion, nor do I want it. Faith is a must in religion, and it's true, you can't shatter anyone faith b/c the power to believe in something other than yourself is overwhelming. But what I don't like regarding people with so called faith is that they use selected reasoning (from the scriptures :) and logic to validate many of their points, but when you use the same reasoning and logic they hide behind 'faith.' I think if they have real faith then they shouldn't try to explain a point based on logic, reason, or fact b/c real faith stands on it's own.

Continuing on your analogy of something never seen before - Most religions are based on other peoples experience (so called) with God (vision, mountain top, dreams, lighting, etc.) I think if a person had an experience with God, then it's the persons experience - it's personal. No matter how they describe it no one will ever understand the fullness of that unique experience. That's why it's difficult for me to accept any religion, b/c it was based on someone else's experience w/ God and not mine. If God really wanted me to know something, I feel that he/she/it would tell me directly - no middle man. Interestingly, other people will take another person's experience w/ God and revised the whole event as if it was 'Gospel' and force it on others - even others in a totally different culture.

You mentioned - Elder's children. What a joke :) I can't speak for others, but the Elder's children I've seen in the BORG had a terrible 'stay in the BORG' percentage. Maybe 1% of all Elder's children I've known, stretching over 30 years, stayed in the BORG in their adult life.

I felt the same way as you when you said "It was mostly the people, too many mistakes and things going wrong for God to be in control." - Amen to that. The logic they taught me to have was the same logic that made me open my eyes. And talk a about, Pot, Kettle, and Black "if the priesthood is bad about molestation check out Silent Lambs"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When you said " I can't shatter anybody's faith...They have to want to be out before they will get themselves out." It reminds me of a saying "When the student is ready the teacher will come." Also, it's a good thing we can't shatter people's faith, b/c if we shatter it then we have to be responsible for them to recover from a life time of deception - Whew, what a heavy responsibility.

Finally, you kept mentioning that you didn't have your bible, but you reminded me of when Thomas Paine wrote 'The Age of Reason" and he was locked up with no bible, but was able to precisely prove his points against the Bible being from God by memory (in part 1 or 2). Your arguments were also pretty clear from memory.

Looking forward to reading more from your Journal.

Peace - Larry :)