That was very brave of you oompa. If they CAN be reached, I think you chose the best line of reasoning to reach them. Love should be a verb not a concept.
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told my parents to never ever tell me they love me again....
by oompa in...i told them in a very serious sitdown in their living room....said..."because if you cant show it then it does not count...that is not real love no matter who tells you it is....because it is how it makes me feel that determines if it is love....not if you just say it...and me and my sons do not feel that love at all now"....and i stayed calm and talked slowly and barely shed a tear as i held them back...and i had asked them to not say a word but just listen...dad said they would as long as it was not about religion as i knew he would.
this was two of the worst days of my life in a row..i told them the pain me and my boys feel from their shunning is worse than if they had died...that then i could grieve naturally and move on because that is normal....grief helps you cope...my grief is different because they choose to act like i am dead and normal grief does not seem to work on that.
i shared an epiphany with them i had about mens rules vs gods great idea of dna (but no i am not sure about a god anymore)it went kinda like this:.
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How old is the religion of Jehovahs Witnesses?
by mankkeli inthis is taken from the reasoning book, page 199.. .
"according to the bible, the line of witnesses of jehovah reaches back to faithful abel.
hebrews 11:412:1 says: by faith abel offered god a sacrifice of greater worth than cain .
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I remember when I first started studying, I got confused as to how I was supposed to view Jesus. I mean--exactly what role did he play in my life? I even would ask about it. In practice, other than a quick "in Jesus' name" the religion just bypasses him. It seems to suggest that the annointed are the ones with that special relationship, and we of the earthly class, were simply to recognize that fact. It confused me a great deal---but I soon brushed it aside and drank the kool-aid.
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I'm sorry.
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How old is the religion of Jehovahs Witnesses?
by mankkeli inthis is taken from the reasoning book, page 199.. .
"according to the bible, the line of witnesses of jehovah reaches back to faithful abel.
hebrews 11:412:1 says: by faith abel offered god a sacrifice of greater worth than cain .
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It was born the same day as Abel.
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It's my birthday today and i did NOTHING.
by Aussie Oz indo you find that years after leaving the jws birthdays just don't matter?.
i just can't get into it.
in years past the inlaws have made an effort and given a little party but now we are out country its just not a big enough deal to be bothered with.. no presents, no cake.
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Oh, so not only are you an apostate, you're a pagan too!
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It's my birthday today and i did NOTHING.
by Aussie Oz indo you find that years after leaving the jws birthdays just don't matter?.
i just can't get into it.
in years past the inlaws have made an effort and given a little party but now we are out country its just not a big enough deal to be bothered with.. no presents, no cake.
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Awwww BEKS! I'll have to try and remember that. That's a problem I have---I've checked out for so long, I have a really hard time remembering birthdays--or planning for them. I have the problem with holidays too---they just haven't regained much meaning for me. I'm workin' on it.
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Which songs/Albums were considered "Demonic" in your Congregation...did you toss some?
by Witness 007 in"hotel california" was considered a major demonic song.
ac/dc stood for anti-christ devils children....{not according to the band} kiss stood for knight s in satans service {not according to the band} anyone else have to toss albums?.
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I was a REALLY bad Witness in this area. I never threw away any of my music. For that matter, when the dubs would get all worked up and breathless about some performer or another, I would smile and nod to help me not roll my eyes. I don't know why I didn't jump on the bandwagon---I was careful about the movies I watched---
But I should have taken the warnings SERIOUSLY---afterall---look what happened to me! I'm a freaking APOSTATE.
Muah haw haw
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It's my birthday today and i did NOTHING.
by Aussie Oz indo you find that years after leaving the jws birthdays just don't matter?.
i just can't get into it.
in years past the inlaws have made an effort and given a little party but now we are out country its just not a big enough deal to be bothered with.. no presents, no cake.
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Happy Birthday Aussie. I had mine this month, and I went to dinner with friends. It was pleasant and novel, but I don't think I would be upset without it. I appreciate the well wishes and the gifts--LOVE THEM---I just don't know that I'd be devastated without it.
I was converted as an adult, so I had a lot of bdays under my belt. In my family, it was typical for the excitement to die down as we reached adulthood. Other than the occasional cake or gift, they pretty much passed without fanfare. It's just how we were.
It was MUCH different for the kids in our family though.
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{Sigh}, I could use a hug...
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inmy first two exams were this week.
things didn't go well.
the classes are tough -- math and science.
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Ah Billy. I understand too. I'm taking 2 anthropology classes, and my first exams are next week. They have been incredibly rough because of all the years denying evolution--so on top of trying to learn science, I have to talk back to the old mind tapes. We just have heavier burdens than younger classmates who take to this stuff instinctually. Keep up the good fight--it's worth it and it will get better. Conincidentally, I too have just started reading Combatting Cult Mind Control---we still have a lot of work to do.
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I just can't do this anymore
by Awen indear friends:.
for years now after my exit from the wtbts i have searched for god.
as i have previously mentioned in other threads i looked into many other religions, including druidry, zen and tibetan buddhism (not really a religion), asatru, native american shamanism, kemetic orthodoxy, gnosticism and pandeism.
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Awen, I wish you well on your journey of discovery. It never ends.