bafh

Joined

• started 31 topics
• posted 357 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by bafh

• 
  29

  Advice needed please.

  by tenene in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been a lurker here for about a year and a half.

  i am a baptised jw(born-in).. i was a publisher in good standing until about last december when i stopped putting in fs time as well as attending meetings and conventions including this year's memorial.. i no longer believe in the teachings of the watchtower society.. about 3 weeks ago an elder and a ms from my cong came to ny house uninvited and told me they were just checking on me and wanted to find why i haven't been to the meetings for such a long time.

  they told me it was not an official visit, but sort of hinted to me that if i don't show up then i might be getting an official one soon.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  1) don't answer the door unless you are expecting someone.

  2) a fade is usually gradual, not cold turkey so as not to create a stir....if you have to, go occasionally - arrive late, leave early but be seen. come up with "i've been ill, depressed, working too much, blah blah blah...."

  3) if people ask where you've been be sure to appreciate their concern, but practice giving no answer - "I appreciate your concern.I've been so overwhelmed with ______, and I haven't been feeling well. I'm doing the best I can. Thanks."

  4) screen your calls. Get a Google Talk number that you can give to people that just goes to voicemail and that you never answer.

  5) don't answer the door unless you are expecting someone.

  6) I still attend the Memorial. One reason is that NOT attending the Memorial is sort of the last thing that brings attention that you may not just be weak, but an apostate. So, if you can bring yourself to attend, I'd reccommend it.

  7) move if you can. doesn't have to be far, just out of your territory.

  ~ just my 2 cents

  bafh
• 
  19

  Self-shunning Syndrome / The Prime Directive

  by cedars in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've recently been reunited with some close family and friends having been away from them for some time in another country.

  to begin with, i was a little apprehensive as to how they would treat me.

  they don't know the extent of my feelings or knowledge (or what i've been up to!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  well, there is something to be said about meeting people where they are. Everyone matures at different paces, emotionally, physically, spiritually. You wouldn't have a very personal conversation with a child, and you meet them at their level. This is somewhat the same. You interact with them at the level they can handle. Even Jesus withheld information the disciples were not ready to recieve.

  It's not you are better than them, it's that you are relating to them in a way that promotes the relationship.
• 
  29

  HOW DO YOU CONTINUE?

  by angel.face in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lately i've been finding it more and more difficult to keep up a front.. .

  before i learned the tatt i was the mover and shaker of our family.

  i would study with the kids.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  Yeah, I would play it cool. I don't have kids, but I do have children in my family that I am close to. I've heard more than once that a DA'd parent has to fight to keep their kids, and is portrayed in court as unfit. It really puts kids in the middle, and will do nothing to furthering your goal of having your husband and mother understand or even join you in your position.

  You're getting good advice. Follow the AA motto: One Day at a Time. Don't DA, just for today.

  I'm currently fading. I don't have anyone I'm trying to save, so it's probably easier - but I don't talk about why I don't go to meeting. At the same time, if someone in my life brings up something about the meeting or something that is important to them, then I am encouraging to them about it. It's not my place to change their mind. And, I think it keeps them from suspecting that I'm anything other than just "weak" and occupied with my work.

  my .02 cents

  bafh
• 
  11

  Watchtower Quoted in a book about how to lie.

  by Sharpie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  link.

  the book is about basicly how to protect yourself online with identity fraud.

  this chapter had quoted good old theocratic warfare in how to not give people your ssn or any other information.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  I think the reason this quotes the WT is because it was written by a Witness.
• 
  36

  Walk Away

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no, not the joe walsh song.

  one of our last co visits, he was railing on the apostates who can't just shut up and be quiet.

  rabble rousers.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  WTBS doesn't want to admit, they really ARE Hotel California. That would actually be a good title for a book about JWs...hahaha
• 
  18

  Prediction: Expect a change in Study Edition distribution

  by baltar447 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after all the hoopla over the "mentally diseased" stuff, i'm making a prediction.

  i expect that the borg will stop distributing the koolaid wt online, at least to where anyone can download it.

  i expect that they will require the jws to create logins and passwords to access the study edition, somehow tying that that back to what congregataion you're in and maybe even an elder approving that you attend.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  But that would mean at least one of the elders to be internet savvy enough to do it, not to mention having the internet connected, have a printer and plenty of paper to print the WT study editions. Would the elder be expected to pay for all that or could he be recompensed for his expenses?

  It's so much more cost effective to run it through their massive presses than to reimburse people individually for going to Kinkos. Yikes. That'll take a chunk out of their profits for sure. I just don't think they'll do it. When I toured Bethel last year and asked about why they don't just put everything online, they said it was because most of the world doesn't even have internet access.

  So, I don't see it going all digital any time soon.
• 
  63

  {Sigh}, I could use a hug...

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my first two exams were this week.

  things didn't go well.

  the classes are tough -- math and science.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  The term is not over, and it is early in your college career. So don't sweat it. You have lots of room for things not to be perfect without it completely falling apart. Make sure to connect with others, especially your advisors. They will be able to help you out a lot. If you are struggling, make sure you access any of the extra assistance available on your campus. And keep talking to your advisors. If things get really bad, and your financial aid is in jeopardy, they can help you figure out a way to get yourself out of it. And don't be afraid to take less classes as you are getting used to college. It is a big transition to college for someone of any age, but especially if you are an older, non-traditonal student. :-)

  Take a big deep breath. Enjoy your weekend. Rest, eat. And get back in the saddle on Monday.

  One or two tests does not a BA degree make (or break).

  bafh
• 
  8

  The Watchtower Society Crossed a Line by Praising a "Slaughter of Apostates"

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just had to say it.

  i don't mean to detract from other threads on the topic.

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  Wouldn't they be surprised if all the references to the apostates, mentally diseased, or unbelievers refered to them? I have actually thought that is possible that the WT is part of the "weeds" in the "wheat and the weeds" parable. Wouldn't that be a hoot!
• 
  311

  "Mentally diseased" article to be published in The Independent tomorrow

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi everyone.

  as a parting gift to you all before i take a much needed break from this forum, i thought you would be pleased to know that the independent, a leading uk newspaper, will be publishing a piece on the "mentally diseased" watchtower article in tomorrow's edition.. i would like to thank everybody who has assisted the journalist, jerome taylor, in his investigation.. best wishes to all of you,.

  cedars.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  Would love to see something like this in the NY Times, or Wall Street Journal or any legitimate newspaper not owned by Rupert Murdock on the States side.
• 
  24

  "Satan's Star" Re-examined

  by JWStruggle in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i put on my blog recently an article reviewing the evidence regarding whether the star of bethlehem was guided by god or satan.

  as we are well aware, this is a "pet point" of the witnesses and assists the wt viewpoint with regard to christmas and all things "pagan".. .

  http://www.jwstruggle.com/2011/09/satans-star-re-examined/.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  bafh

  I was in a class at a Catholic university where they said that the Magi were indeed looking for Jesus to be born when he was because Daniel when in exhile in Babylon had told them about the prophecies. The Magi, may have been astrologers or "spiritual men" but they were likely guided by one of God's people. And as pointed out above, they served a purpose and were well received. Even as Jews, I can't imagine Joseph and Mary, human parents of the Son of God, who were then guided by Angels welcoming a "pagan" worshiper with open arms if it were not part of "the plan" or "ok'd".

  ~bafh