Posts by Legaleagle2000

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Are JW women repressed in the org?

by Tina in

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in another thread titled why?

in the beliefs and practices forum,.

i have an exchange going on with another woman.

Legaleagle2000

to continue... We called these women "elderettes." They were always ready to rat on a friend for some indisgression if it meant they'd score points with the Ruling Class. I've seen them call the elders because they thought someone's car was parked too long in a driveway, or because they'd heard through the gossip line, that this one is not Christian cause she doesn't outline her Watchtower in yellow markers...stupid stuff.

And where did they get most of their info? From the elders wives who'd sat on committee meetings! The brothers were the biggest gossips in the congregation, carefully feeding the masses info to keep everyone distrustful of the other.

Women are not only oppressed, they're controlled, and throught of contemptably by the very brothers they seek to get points from. So the brothers have managed to use women's petty jealousy of each other against them. I myself was "counseled" for getting a Law degree by a sister who wouldn't go the the bathroom without her hubbys permission.

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Are JW women repressed in the org?

by Tina in

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friends

in another thread titled why?

in the beliefs and practices forum,.

i have an exchange going on with another woman.

Legaleagle2000

Not only are women oppressed, they are downright abused. If their husbands are non-jw's I've known elders to visit the home of these men and publically humiliate their wives, telling them that they should bow to the headship of their husbands because by not doing so it was giving a "bad example." They told them "you must be doing something wrong in order to incur such wrath," and similiar statements. These sisters had bruises and welts and in some cases broken noses and the like.

If the husband was a JW- or worse yet, an elder himself, the wife was threatened into silence by the threat of disfellowshipping. In one case, the "brother" was ill and suffered from Manic Depression. This brother took-out two offices and almost killed his wife when he became convinced Armageddon had come & gone & he'd missed it! He dragged his wife down the stairs and almost beat her to death. The Police Officers dispatched on the scene were almost killed- this brother had been a Special Agent in the war and was incredibly powerful.

The sister was counseled over & over to stay with this man. When she refused, the brothers marked her & virtually drove her out of town. They even went to the Institute where the brother was remanded and told the Doctors they felt that "Jackie" had driven him to this because she wasn't obedient.

My own husband was counseled to "keep your wife in check," when he reponded that "She's MY wife- Not yours and I say she can have all the freedom she wants to be whomever she wants- and that includes not having to listen to you," they almost blew their corks. He told them they were a "boys club" gone power hungry.

Seems they still held a grudge because I turned in the PO for sexual harrassment and he was deleted, along with his yes-man. The PO had written a really nasty book (I still have) and named me as a character. So everythig I "alledged" was substatiated by things in his own book!

Women are oppressed in the Society because they let themselves be. As soon as the shake off that need to please and be on the side of power they'll realize they've been selling themselves and their friends out. we called them, are

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Murderer's Paradise too...

by Legaleagle2000 in

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i know this story to be absolutely true: a child grows up in a typically dysfuntional home with 5 other siblings.

one of the brothers, known throughout the land for his mean temper and addiction to alcohol, confides - no brags - to this child, a girl, that he has committed a murder.

the child, being 8 or 9 at the time, doesn't understand the concept.

Legaleagle2000

I know this story to be absolutely true: A child grows up in a typically dysfuntional home with 5 other siblings. One of the brothers, known throughout the land for his mean temper and addiction to alcohol, confides - no brags - to this child, a girl, that he has committed a murder. The child, being 8 or 9 at the time, doesn't understand the concept. Over the years it becomes emmeshed in her subconscious, and although she has momentary flashes of its validity, she thinks she must be nuts- making it up for some weird purpose.

Thirty years go by. Because she walked away from the congregation, she looses track of this brother.Then she starts to attend meetings. And the memories return. Finally, she goes to a family member, a much older brother, who, before she can ask, volunteers the information: the other brother did indeed murder someone.

Has he turned himself in, she asks the family? Doesn't he have to be punished for his crime? And shouldn't someone tell the victim's family it was this man who took their son's life?

No, they tell her. Not only does he not have to tell the Police because the elders told him as long as he was now a JW it was "OK" but they threaten her with shunning-and he threatens her with violence if she tells. But there is another who knows: the husband of this sister who is not a JW- for he is there for these confessions.

Should a woman with a child's memories of a confession come forward to the police?
Legally, yes.

What would you do?

Legaleagle

Silent: The Cowards are out in force..

by Legaleagle2000 in

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hi silent, .

you know me- we spoke in months ago.

your mother in law sounds like one of those who think you should "wait on jehovah" for everything.

Legaleagle2000

Hi Silent,

You know me- we spoke in months ago. Your Mother in Law sounds like one of those who think you should "wait on Jehovah" for everything. That's a Cop-Out. Jehovah gave us a brain & free will. He expects us to use them to help others, even if it makes people like FredHall & StillinTruth uncomfortable.

To them I say:Cowards! Revelation 21:8 says you will not be spared Jehovah's anger.

If you saw a child being raped, would you "wait on Jehovah" and remain still? Or would you act to prevent hi/her death?

If you saw your brother about to injest a poison would you wait until he drank? Or would you slap it from his wrist before he drank?

If you were swept away in a rainstorm and others stood by and watched you drowning, would you expect them to throw you a line, or shall they too, "wait on Jehovah?"

When does "waiting" pass faith and become a crime?
When it involves the harm of others.
Inaction is compliance. You become as guilty as the molesters & liars who cover for them.

This is the premise of the Bible: "Love your neighbor as yourself..."
How long would any of us here, want others to wait, before we take a stand and do what's right?

To silent: The roar is getting louder. Hang on. We love you. You are an inspiration. You have restored my faith: They're are still good elders. Thank you!

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Are we bitter people or just victims?

by cocolocoii in

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i am a jehovah's witness until today, but i don't know if i'll continue to be one of them tomorrow.. i said that because for once my eyes are open to reallity and i can clearly see that there is not organization beyond our creators name.. i see a lot or imperfect man trying to do what is right, but allways those desires are corrupted by their pride or greediness.. i think that in the watch tower organization are really a lot of people who really wants to served god.

but i think too that there are a lot a people who doesn't have love and mercy for their brothers.

a well known saying says that you will catch more fly with honey than with vinager.. this doesn't mean that people are allowed to do whatever they want without any respect for god's word in the bible.

Legaleagle2000

I've run the gamut of emotions: first I blamed myself and my perception of things and everything I saw happening. I was convinced that my way was the wrong way, that I wasn't showing love for the brothers by pointing out their flaws. Then I went into total shock at the miscarriages of justice I witnessed. After that,anger, and finally, resignation. But I don't regret the journey, nor the place it has taken me, for it drove me closer to Jehovah than I had ever been in my life, save for childhood years when Jehovah was the one I called to to protect me from a drunken, Bible thumping father. I learned that not only could I continue to have a relationship with Jehovah outside of the Kingdom Hall, but that I had finally made Jehovah my God, my father, and my friend. No mere man can take that away from me. They can shun me, call me names, spit at me, I don't care, because I don't need them to validate my relationship with Jehovah. And with every cruelty they heap on me, it convinces me even more that they are Godless, soulless creatures who Jehovah will destroy for scattering and bludgeoning his sheep. So feel whatever it is you're feeling, and then ask Jehovah to take the burden from you. Don't let the brothers rob you of what is righfully yours: a loving relationship with a loving father.

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Pinpoint a Pedophile

by silentlambs in

the "pedophile survey" is a way to give information and it be used to give survey results to see the extent of the problem.

we have added victim stories and a few other modifications it is a gradual work in progress.

check in from time to time and sign the guestbook.

Legaleagle2000

Stephen,

First, my comment was directed at Fred Hall whos indecency is discusting. That was my first post, so I may have inadvertantly posted it wrong. If that's the case, I'm sorry you thought I was speaking to you.

I believe you misunderstand my position on this matter. First, I'm not only totally against the Society's position on this matter, but I've also gone to the DA to ask that an investigation be launched into the criminal activities of those who would protect these pedophiles. I've been forced to move constantly to keep from having myself & my family hurt.

"In good standing" means that no one has managed to run me out of town yet- disfellowship me which would silence my voice. Unlike Bill Bowen, who so bravely came forward, I have chosen not to reveal myself because when your df'd not even the witnesses will listen to you. If I can't have my voice, then I cannot warn others. Unlike others, I certainly don't believe that all will be destroyed if your not JW- as a matter of fact, I truly believe that simply believing that you're better than anyone else means your not.

I agree with everything you say in your last paragraph- I have little use for an organization that preaches its better than anyone else. I also firmly believe God is the one who choses, and if anyone-including his so called Spokesperson here on earth says otherswise, they are evil.

I am fighting this every way I know how- through articles, the law, you name it. I myself was a victim- in many more ways than I care to discuss.

So If you thought I was in anyway disagreeing with you, I'm sorry. It was Fred Hall I was aiming at: a man who aligns himself so firmly with an organization that he loses his own sight, and will attempt to destroy anyone who tries to bring out the true facts. He is the Company Man I'm speaking of.

Legal.

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Pinpoint a Pedophile

by silentlambs in

the "pedophile survey" is a way to give information and it be used to give survey results to see the extent of the problem.

we have added victim stories and a few other modifications it is a gradual work in progress.

check in from time to time and sign the guestbook.

Legaleagle2000

It has been my experience that the only men who would dare deny the existence of pedophiles within the organization, particularly since they can take a trip to their local court- lets say, Paramus NJ and look up a Mr. Pandelo (who goes to the North Haledon Hall totally out of his territory) who was df's no less than 3 times and admitted under court to the molestation of 7 children- one of which was not a witness- are themselves covering for their own perversions. As in the case of the Ringwood, NJ Hall who have no less than 4 elders themselves victims in tha past, and who now cover for a pedophile accused in a murder.

As a JW in good standing for over 40 years, I can tell you that not only are you NOT defending Jehovah's name by belittling those who have been victimized by "wolves" within the organization, but you are denying the prophecies within the Bible that fortell these things occuring.

Those who truly love Jehovah are also lovers of justice, and lovers of the examples Jesus set. And He Never belittles or threatened. Nor did he incite people. He lovingly listened to their concerns and provided relief where he could. He went searching for his sheep to shepherd-not to torment with sadistic jabs that minimize their pain & suffering.

You can be sure these things are all happening and that signifies a time of rejoicing. I for one, am looking forward to Jehovah cleansing his organization because it signifies that the time for our salvation is at hand. If his organization wasn't filthy in the first place, it would never be in need of this cleansing. Are you doubting the words of Jehovah? Are you a worshiper of Jehovah? Or just a Company Man?