major news folks.. i have obtained the dpi directory for 1999/2000, published by the un's dpi in 1999. i have copied 19 relevant pages of this document.
lloyd barry's name and ciro's name are both mentioned.
also it gives the criteria etc.
With everything that's been posted on this subject, I apologize
if this is a repeat....
Page 577 of "Babylon the Great Has Fallen!" shows the UN Seal
and the harlot on the beast.
Does anyone know if the buildings in the sketch belong to the UN?
Libby
watch tower bible & tract society clinical laboratory of brooklyn.
21 clark street brooklyn ny 11201 .
watch tower bible & tract society clinical laboratory of patterson 100 watchtower drive patterson ny 12563-9204 .
Clinical labs.....dentistry?
several posters have asked what i thought of the.
revelations about the wt being associated with the un.
as an ngo so i thought i might make a brief comment on.
Sooooo,
The WTS made a mistake in associating with the UN...
and is repentent (they stopped doing it)....
However, it has become known to others in the congregation
who are in danger of being stumbled....
at the local level, the WTS would be disfellowshipped, or
be under reproof at the very least, with some priveleges
revoked for a while....
Are they not subject to their own rules???
Libby, of the inquiring-minds-want-to-know, ya know?
first off, i apologize if this subject has been hashed out before or even lately...i haven't noticed it if it has, but i need to ask it now, as it affects my family as i'm sure it does now, or has in the past, affected many of you here.. i have a daughter who is a very active jw, and a very typical one.
if the wts says it, it has to be so...or if she doesn't down deep agree with it, then god will eventually fix it, but for the time being she is supposed to go along with it....etc.
etc.. this is how she feels about df'ing, da'ing and the resulting shunning..even of a close family member, like her brother whom she adores.
Well, I realize the question is Why did you WANT to be reinstated..
but most of the replies are like mine: Why I DON'T EVER want to be
reinstated, and all the reasons are pretty much listed by everyone's comments here.
Your daughter may believe that the reason for shunning is to make the other person ashamed and miss their friends and family, but that is just another lie the wts has brainwashed the r&f with. Because the real reason, we all know, is so that we can't tell our friends and loved ones how fake the Org truly is. By cutting off communication and labeling every one and every thing "apostate", the wts has tried to disrupt rescue attempts.
What shunning has shown me is the true character of the person doing the shunning, their love and friendship was never Christian. They walk smugly aware from me feeling as though they have done their spiritual deed for the day. Once shunned by them, I find it difficult to ever acknowledge them again. The few who have continued to show love and friendship to me are the ones who do cause me to actually rethink by leaving....but just momentarily!
Roy Batty...I'm with you: "And finally, I hope that my example will cause others, especially my family, to leave this destructive cult." Amen to that!!
I feared my daughters would never know that they should leave the org. They haven't yet but I pray for them (even though the Org does not allow them to pray for me!!) And my younger daughter has been researching cults on the internet. The other day she told me the wts has all the characterics of a cult. Whew!
Libby
following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.
it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.
andrew,.
-----"Yes, the Society is registered with the UN.
----- It does not make them a supporter of the UN,
----- it is a requirement that they register so
------they can be protected by the human rights
------umbrella of the UN."
The same reasoning could have been used for jw's in Malawi...
their human rights would certainly have been protected had
the wts allowed them to purchase a political card required by
law in a country that had only one political party. It did
not show support for that party any more than paying taxes
showed support for the Roman government back in the 1st
century AD.
Libby
dear mom and dad,.
hope you are both doing okay.. we are all fine except i had to take (our daughter)in to the dr. yesterday.
a stomach virus or something?.
I'd say that was a good job, Ranchette,
and the right approach to take, too.
Libby
well i hope this is the last chapter regarding the ritzville trial of manuel beliz.
perhaps he now can become a statistic in the roles of sex offenders who go to jail for their crimes.
as you may recall in the first hearing things were much different and intimidating to erica and her family.
I did e-mail the reporter, and heard back from her.
She mentions how hard it is to cover a touchy subject
like this and not be libelous....(I wonder if she's
heard from the wts legal dept.)
To Aroarer: My deepest sympathy to you, your daughter,
your family. What you said about the trust we gave to
the wts is so true. I've been sharing Erica's story at
work.
Libby
well i hope this is the last chapter regarding the ritzville trial of manuel beliz.
perhaps he now can become a statistic in the roles of sex offenders who go to jail for their crimes.
as you may recall in the first hearing things were much different and intimidating to erica and her family.
Well done. Well done, indeed.
My email has been sent to Shirley, too.
well, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.
i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.
i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.
Dear Ranchette
I'm a disassociated mother of two daughters still in the org.
It is the org that squeezes any "natural affection" out of the
jw's, where parents don't talk to children and vice versa, where
"friends" are only "friends" so long as you don't disagree with
the org; where mothers worry that they can't pray for their own
children who are disfellowshipped; where people have to feel guilty
about helping or praying for others who are not jw's (and are
therefore doomed).
In all that has been happening, I believe the ones showing true worship are the rescue workers and the passengers who gave their
lives for their fellow man. Jesus said that there was no greater
love than to give your life for your brother.....
I wanted to add that my oldest daughter recently moved back home
and I found out that she feels guilty eating with me....it's okay
that I bought the food and prepared it and she can eat it, but
just not with me. What a slap that was.
Libby
my father was rushed by ambulance from his rest home to st. marks hospital in salt lake city, utah friday, but i only just heard about it.
i received a call from the floor nurse and she told me he is not expected to live.
his lungs are filled fill up with fluid and are continuing to fill u with more fluid: he has pneumonia.
I'm sorry for your loss.
It brought back memories of when my father died.
We're never ready.
I'm glad you have the comfort of having said to
him all that you did.
Even though we don't know each other, I can see
your father in your words....and that's beautiful.
Know that many have been where you are and are
thinking of you.
Libby
