I always thought the opposite. Bethel folks were late teens whose fathers were Elders or MS ... nothing to do with "gung-ho".
Posts by Lieu
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8So many ex-Bethelites here...
by jws injust thinking back over some of the many, many posts here.
it seems there are a fair share of ex-bethelites here or ex-branch office workers.. what percentage of jws actually go to bethel or a branch office?
it's gotta be under 1%.
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Greatest Lesson You Have Learned from Your WT Experience?
by cameo-d in.
what will prevent you from being deceived again and making the same mistake?.
what is your criteria now for weighing truth vs "enlightened-sounding" fiction?.
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Lieu
Even if you know the world is round, say its flat unless you want to be labeled a 'heretic'.
Slips of paper are more important than humans.
Labels can be used for people as well as food stuffs.
On a positive note, I learned how to truly treat and help other people simply by doing the opposite of the WT.
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Timing Christ's Presence
by Ultimate Reality instartfragment.
obviously, this is an ongoing discussion.
in a past post (which was so popular, there were 0 replies) i mentioned a book by james stewart russell: the parousia: the new testament doctrine of our lord's second coming, which was written in 1878. the book is a discussion of the new testament as it relates to the subject of the parousia or christ's presence.
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That's way too long to bother reading. Long posts (excluding personal experiences) remind me of someone trying to "make time".
The problem is the poor translations of the NT from the initial Greek, plus some writings have been omitted depending on denomination, and a WT will do nothing but confuse since scriptures are used way out of context.
No one knows where we are in the stream of time; somewhere between extreme pollution and self extermination.
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How to PROFIT from Watchtower fearmongering
by Nathan Natas inmy association with the jws began in the late 1950's.
i participated in the pre-1975 hysteria just as i was instructed to do.
i knew people who sold their businesses and homes and calculated just how much they could spend each month to support themselves in the full-time ministry until their liberation date of october 1975.. (after all, you wouldn't want to run out of money in august 1975 - what would you do for two months?).
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The Two Masters
by cameo-d injesus or jehovah?.
jehovah often provided materially for his people through the spoils of war.. jesus, on the other hand, seemed to promote being carefree and non-materialistic.. .
jesus said he and the father were of one accord, but even so, he was kicked out of the synagogues.. .
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Lieu
Its not really a change in personality, its more of "I'm sick of your crap and destruction, you rotten humans". "I tried to show you how to behave to please my dad but you just refuse to listen."
Mankind was shown a better and more peaceful way ... but we just kill and kill ... subjugate and kill some more. Pollute and kill. Certain types of folks ( the ones that like to kill) just have to go if there were to ever be a real peace on this crazy planet.
Notice how he became hostile with the money changers inside the Temple? Notice the temple was split at its foundation at his death? Notice how Israelis today do not have the Arc or a Temple?
My opinion, of course.
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The Two Masters
by cameo-d injesus or jehovah?.
jehovah often provided materially for his people through the spoils of war.. jesus, on the other hand, seemed to promote being carefree and non-materialistic.. .
jesus said he and the father were of one accord, but even so, he was kicked out of the synagogues.. .
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Lieu
Jesus cursed that tree for not giving some shade and the tree died.
No they are not the same person, IMO. Its about judgement and righteousness, according to the Bible.
It is the Day of Jah's vindication but Jesus (along with the angels) is the one who comes to exact justice on Jah's behalf, he is the one with the sharp sword in his mouth. The Son of Man...King of Kings. He is the Lamb who is found fit to open the scroll. He leads the battle with the troops (the angels).
It would be like your son avenging your good name but only on the people who spoil it.
He's coming to exact righteous indignation, according to scripture. He & the angels are going to KILL wicked mankind for the sake of good mankind. He's going to destroy the enemies of his Father. (They call for the birds in the book of Rev to come feast on the bodies.)
I'm missing why you do not understand this.
Rev is quite clear about who is who and who is doing what; people have their chance to do right or wrong.
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Some Apostles Still Alive Today?
by sacolton inmatthew 16:28.
"i tell you with certainty, some people standing here will not experience death before they see the son of man coming in his kingdom.".
mark 9:1. then he said to them, "i tell you with certainty, some people standing here will not experience death until they see the kingdom of god arrive with power.".
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Some Apostles Still Alive Today?
by sacolton inmatthew 16:28.
"i tell you with certainty, some people standing here will not experience death before they see the son of man coming in his kingdom.".
mark 9:1. then he said to them, "i tell you with certainty, some people standing here will not experience death until they see the kingdom of god arrive with power.".
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The Two Masters
by cameo-d injesus or jehovah?.
jehovah often provided materially for his people through the spoils of war.. jesus, on the other hand, seemed to promote being carefree and non-materialistic.. .
jesus said he and the father were of one accord, but even so, he was kicked out of the synagogues.. .
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Lieu
"I choose to do the will of my father." I'm certain you can find this one.
You could also read Matt. 20 and its equivalents.
He was supposed to die and he knew it. He had a choice, just like Satan and everyone else. He knew the Roman guards were coming for him, yet he CHOSE to stay put knowing full well what was going to happen.
The OT God is similar. Patient, loving, etc. I don't see a cruel God. However, I saw a bunch of whiny ungrateful people. The problem is the Israelites were rotten as all hell and they wanted humans for rulers. They kept being carried off into captivity for a reason.
Sure he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ... He did so at the request of the nations surrounding that area .. there wern't any Israelites back then.
You do realize that when Jesus returns according to the Bible he's coming to kill the wicked, don't you? The scroll John ate was bitterweet for a reason ... he's coming to KILL. You can read Matt-Rev for that info. Never mistake his kindness for weakness.
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Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years--Gen. 6:3
by Bonnie_Clyde ini was cleaning off a book shelf and saw a copy of examining the scriptures daily for 2005. was about to throw it away, but opened it, and this is what popped up for 6-11.... i remember discussing this about 5 years ago on the forum after the wt article of 12/15/03, but it still amazes me.
it's obvious that the society was hinting that the end would have to come by 2034, 120 years from 1914... "only 120 years more and jehovah would bring "the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.
" (gen. 6:17) when noah was informed, he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.
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