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  Why is Ray Franz the only GB member to have ever resigned?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  it's always seemed a bit odd to me that ray franz is the only gb member to have ever resigned, particularly for such a controversial religion.. we know from ray franz's books that there is often debate amongst the gb about new ideas sometimes introduced and often they are quite divided in their opinions.. i am not sure when the "governing body" officially began (wikipedia's explanation is messy) but it was quite a few decades ago.

  there have been dozens of members of the gb since it's creation (does anyone know the exact total number?).

  one would think that there would have been a few more disgruntled gb members over the years who would have resigned if the gb voted against some proposal they felt very strongly about.

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  Lieu

  How many generational welfare recipeints get off? Honestly, these guys are one step above welfare queens, the difference being every now and then they send out a book for all the money they get. No charity, no food packages for needy 'friends', no building small homes for low income 'friends' [the ones they encouraged not to go to college], nothing, nada.

  They stay beause they don't want to have to get real jobs, pay rent, pay gas & electric, buy their own gas, have a car note, buy food, live in the real world .... those are scary things for people who have never had to do so.

  Like the catholic heirarchy, they are content to live in high security domiciles off of other people's money, while the majority of their "flock" can barely scratch together two nickels.

  Franz leaving was like leaving off of welfare. A brave thing to do considering his age at the time.
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  FINAL UPDATE ON MY PIONEER SISTER'S FADE

  by SusanHere in

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  my sister was a pioneer for decades.

  she loved the jehovah's witness religion with all her heart and nobody anywhere could have tried harder to live its teachings.

  but now, finally .... she's washed her hands of the jehovah's witnesses once and for all.

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  Lieu

  I hope she finds some true happiness.
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  Think ive changed...can see it quite a bit laterly.PLEASE!!

  by angel eyes in

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  putting this out there.....going back 12months ago i was completely different to how i am now.

  i am still loyal to jah and dont go against the scriptures, but even though ive recently returned to pioneering (only aux pio at present) i see im a little more laid back.. i think this has come through having to endure hell and back without any help, except jehovah, which im not complaining, im so glad his been there for me, for us both.

  but i really believe that due to things that have badly and wrongly been allowed to take place etc its moulded me a little different to how i was.

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  Lieu

  Well AE, you said no one helped you but Jah. So if you've finally figured out he's all you need ... why return to those whom you do not need nor were there to help you?

  I figured it out a long long time ago. Satying with Jah and your core beliefs does not mean staying with those who are a "downer" to your mental health.

  Leaving them in no way shape or form equates to leaving Jah ... no matter how much someone says it is.

  You are perplexed ... because had a a far more sustaining and closer relationship with Jah when you weren't aroung JWs.

  Admit it.

  PS. Some of the people here are totally out of line to the point of nasty. Why treat someone as nasty as you claim to have been treated? Is that supposed to be helpful?
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  CO visit this week

  by JerkhovahsWitless in

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  for the first time, i didn't attend the meeting when the co came.

  my family went, which i figured would lead to them being questioned about me.. i thought for sure the cultists would be knocking on my door with the fat old wind-bag co to "encourage" me.

  unless they stopped by this week when no one was home, it looks like no one wants to save me from armageddon.

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  Lieu

  I think he's supposed to be like a Paul reconstruct, except he is nothing like Paul.
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  Am i correct?

  by angel eyes in

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  this is just an obsevation from me...ok i dont mean to annoy anyone but is it true or just me?.

  i feel that ones raised in the truth are so much better of than us who came in from the world.

  i say that because they have family who are witnesses too.

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  Lieu

  Black Sheep, how could you?

  LOL ... I hated that book as a youngster. I can't recall a single good thing about it ... pure fearmongering.
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  Proof the GB does not really believe the end is comming.....

  by Albert Einstein in

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  2. beliefs

  if you were a leader of a small group that should survive a worldwide disaster and will be left on their own, not being able to use now common services would you:.

  a) encourage your members to learn all possible skills and to get all possible today available education, maybe even organized "who will learn what" to cover really every aspect of future life and to be really prepared ..... or.

  b) discurage your members from education, letting them just sit home or at meetings and keep repeating: "the end is comming, the end is comming ... be ready, the end is comming...".

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  ...out in FS, I recall the pioneers taking "dibs" on people's houses. I was under the impression they felt as though the houses and stuff would remain.

  Even if infrastructure remained, who is qualified to keep things working? [powerplants, water systems, communication etc.] Is everything supposed to just pop into everyone's mind?

  Can't imagine where they get those thoughts from ... ?
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  Did You Start "Losing It" As A Witness?

  by minimus in

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  were you emotionally or mentally unbalanced at any time while you were a jehovah's witness?.

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  Lieu

  Nope. Unless thinking about driving wooden stakes through certain people is a disorder.
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  New Light: Don't hold hands during prayers

  by RR in

  1. watchtower
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  from the watchtower november 15 study edition.. 19 when we are being represented in public prayer, we need to display reverential "fear of god.

  " (1 pet 2:17) there may be a proper time and place for some actions that would be inappropriate at a christian meeting.

  (eccl 3:1) for instance, suppose someone sought to have all in a group link arms or hold hands during prayer.

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  Lieu

  They're telling people not to do it without telling people not to do it .... classic!
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  Young JW sisters in a hurry

  by asilentone in

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  did you notice any young jw sisters in the past that did rush to get married too young and to have a baby right away before the end comes?

  did you hear any stories of regret?

  i was wondering if the watchtower is to blame for?.

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  Lieu

  Yep, seen plenty and those 'sex' marraiges last about 2 yrs tops, with a few exceptions.
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  How Are JW's Sins Forgiven?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
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  matthew 9:6 but that ye may know that the son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.. .

  john 1:12 but as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of god, even to them that believe on his name:.

  why did we beg for jehovah's forgiveness at every prayer when clearly the son has this authority?.

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  Lieu

  The same way all those claiming to be Christians are ... you find out after you die at the Judgment if what you did has been forgiven.

  If one can't raise the dead, one can't forgive sins.