Posts by Lieu

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New news item on JW.org: conscientious objection

by Anders Andersen in

will jehovah's witnesses protect freedom of conscience?

seon-hyeok kim is facing one of the greatest challenges of his life.

in early 2015, this 28-year-old husband and father appeared before a judicial committee on charges of apostasy because he is a conscientious objector against shunning.

Lieu

Heretic! Lol

How dare he stand up to religious 'teachers' and their over the top unscriptual rules which bear on his conscience.

However, we are glad that everyone else in Christendom has. They are to be appreciated for their efforts. Obeying God as ruler rather than men.

Those elders erred, they unlike the CO were patterning themselves after Christ. Forgive. Show mercy and love. Whilst the CO is only concerned with "company" rules and procedures; he could care less about the human aspect, his 'brother'.

A CO and the GB would have disfellowshipped Christ for healing a sick person on Sabbath. And what do you mean just washing your hands is enough? Go up to your elbows, show us your piety you rulebreaker! We speak for God! Rules and procedures over people. The complete opposite of Jesus.

JWs are quick to cite a country's conscientious objector law when it suits their needs but internally they have no such common law for members. The governments are better than they are with respect to human conscience.

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let it be resolved: The remnant can not be the generation of Mat. 24.

by prologos in

debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?

Lieu

What I find interesting is this.

At one time you couldn't own a copy of the Bible. That way RCC priests could tell you anything and you couldn't question it.

Now that anyone can own a Bible, you are told as a JW you can't understand it without a group of men interpreting it for you .... and you can't question them.

Even when the group of men keep opining that the Bible doesn't really mean what it says unless they think it means what it says whenever it says something ... and sometimes only part of what's being said.

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let it be resolved: The remnant can not be the generation of Mat. 24.

by prologos in

debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?

Lieu

Er, because "they" aren't "them". If they die before seeing "all these things occur", then they aren't part of 'what' they think they are. There's that nagging prerequisite of being alive from start to finish.

It's quite simple actually. Don't need anyone to inject upon or further translate anything Jesus said cause he was talking to fishermen, housewives, and regular everyday ancient people, not 21st century nuclear physicists.

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Jw want desperately to be shunned according to G no 4 pg 9

by poopie in

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jw strive to follow golden rule by treating others the way themselves would like to be treated so they want to be shunned because they shunn others.

Lieu

I want sacrifice not mercy! That's what Jesus actually said in JW minds when confronted about breaking "the rules". Go in the corner and be spoken to by no one!

How many months did the Prodigal's whoring boozing son have to wait to get back in his father's house after his father stopped shunning him? Oh wait ....

Shunning? Pffft! JWs don't pay attention to a darn thing Jesus said. Not too sure mentioning the Golden Rule would have much impact.

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New Bible, In Spanish.... Why taking so long?!

by Doubtfully Yours in

is it possible it's not like they initially said, that it was just having god's name added in places where it had been deleted, and that perhaps they're making more adjustments to it in order to fit our doctrine?.

come out with the freakin' new bible in spanish already!!!.

dy .

Lieu

Spaniards are like Paul, at times difficult to understand. 😆

Besides, trying to directly translate something from English to Spanish takes time as some things don't translate. Then it has to be translated from Spain Spanish to Latin American Spanish and it's many variations. Last someone has to figure out a translation for the Nicaraguans.😃

They have to go around changing all the vosotros and vais to ustedes for one thing.

Aguas!

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"Hope for what we do not see" - Review

by problemaddict 2 in

i give it 3 thumbs down.. the video starts with an ambulance in peru.

the ambulance people look at an id and a no blood card in spanish.. quick flash away to now and a happy family of a couple with 2 young boys.

all good kids it collages their everyday life, all centered around theocratic activities.

Lieu

I want sacrifice not mercy??? Sacrifice yourself.

When in hiding wear clothes that make you stick out like a sore thumb???? No tight pants.

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Do JWs ever doubt that the end is really coming?

by dogon in

as a former dubber i had many occasions to doubt that the end was coming.

i was told it was ok to doubt but not to think about it too much and wait on jehovah.

that bull shit lasted until they changed the meaning of generation in 95 and that was the end of that bull shit for me.

Lieu

Yes, anyone around for over a decade will have doubts. Its only human. My mom used to be really vigorous about the "soon" in her lifetime but now I notice she has become more "maybe" and detached. And she looks so worn down.

Letting go of the expectation of anything happening before you die after decades of earnest anticipation has got to be crushing. You know they doubt but they won't say it ... it would be too crushing to admit even if they had no fear of admission.

Some have spent their lives literally wearing out their bodies and minds never having any time for themselves under the heavy loads and burdens placed on them (by WTBTS) thinking "soon".

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Who is your " I am" that your voice should be heard?

by The Rebel in

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i was recently thinking before i became " mike" i was an innocent baby, then as the days passed slowly by, i developed a sence of " iam".

as the days moved forward my body, slowly developed a a "sex organ" whilst my mind took on a sence of " emotional" and " intellectual" i am" .

this allowed me to become my current " i am?.

Lieu

1. I am me

2. No one believes as I do, they are not me.

3. I don't. It is not important if people believe as I do. My beliefs can only be mine.

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Jehovah Witness vs Jehovah's Witness

by Simon in

being brought up as a jehovah's witness means you are so used to the term that you rarely stop to think about it.. one thing i've noticed is that people unfamiliar with the religion will say "jehovah witness" (no 's) instead which i always found a bit grating.. but watching the us election, something struck me.

people are often referred to as "trump supporters", not "trump's supporters" and so on.

thinking about other things, people would say they were "united fan's", not "united's fans" and so on.. it seems weird that a group would refer to themselves as though it was someone else talking about them (in the 3rd person, if i have that right).. what do you think?

Lieu

I simply used to say Cristian when asked about religion.

JW is a sect of Christianity just like Anglican, Methodist, Catholicism, etc, it isn't "the" religion.

If God purposed us to be called Christian then that's it.

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The starting event of the Watchtower's "70 Years"?

by Doug Mason in

according to the watchtower society, which event marked the start of the "70 years".

on which day and month did that event occur?.

Lieu

You'll probably have to read some of Nelson Barbour's (Millerite) writings as he was Russell's friend and contemporary that did most of the time calculations. They later split because of the "invisible presence" thingy.

From what I've noted, Barbour and Miller liked to start their calculations from 539.