Posts by Lieu

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What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

by Dunedain in

i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

Lieu

Before 1914?

Running Greece where his throne was. Then maybe hopping on the Roman bandwagon. Making certain no one could find those Library of Alexandria scrolls. Smirking at how the poor and enslaved were left to die in the Vesuvius eruption.

Moving on to European wars skirmishes and crusades. Ensuring the Chinese invented gunpowder and SE Asians stopped eating beef. Popped over to the Americas where there were people to yet be slaughtered and sneezed on. (No one gets to hang in the cut, so to speak.) The whole slavery thing. Later his crew hung out with the adventist movement giving them false dates while giggling.

At some point there's a bunch of those bad boys chained and imprisoned.

As for angelic DNA and whatnot, who says that went out with the flood? We don't know the ancestry of Noah's wife nor his sons' wives.

Genesis 6:4 NET

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty heroes of old, the famous men.

Numbers 13:33 NET

We even saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim), and we seemed like grasshoppers both to ourselves and to them."

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Does the governing body know what they are doing?

by Gefangene in

what do you guys think?.

are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.

Lieu

Yerp and nope. I think they were fanatical believers of being God's channel at one point who have easily become obsessed with themselves. Russell became self obssessed too. A touch of dementia doesn't help their cause either, for some. And r&f slobbering in their presence eggs them on to head dragging the floor glory. It's has led to their insanity, from Russell onward.

Their problem is they bogarted someone else's seat and they don't want to get out of it. After all, jws all but outright worship the GB. They've entitled themselves as "glorious ones", "faithful and discreet slave", G.O.D. in some sick form of Idolatry. They've equated a LLC with God himself and some type of Mary type "mother" shit and I believe it is all purposeful. Seriously, mother???? Mother would be the wife of the Father, of God, not the bride of Christ, the son. There's over 1000 rules from these men. It's bondage and slavery to MEN. Purposeful.

They lie on the HS saying they are spirit directed. And yet can't get a single "prophesy" right. Their HS is allegedly dumb. Their light switches are broken. They claim God requires an certain amount of hours in FS, that he requires sacrifice, that 'irrelevant works' will save, and it's a bunch of purposeful LIES. They'd rather have adherents following Moses than Christ. JWS don't even get a Biblical baptism.

For JWs, the GB IS God. I hope and pray that God gives the GB all that they deserve for their purposeful treacherous behavior. For their antichrist doctrines, for calling the HS evil, and for killing the spirit of millions trying to find the truth. May they never rest. Not now nor in the time to come.

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Old Light - New Light: Changes in WT Doctrine

by NewLight2 in

jw
friends

wt 12/1/1894 p. 384.

wt 5/1/57 p.274.

wt 11/15/28 p.344.

Lieu

Oh and someone plz call an electrician .... their light switch is so oooh broken.

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Old Light - New Light: Changes in WT Doctrine

by NewLight2 in

jw
friends

wt 12/1/1894 p. 384.

wt 5/1/57 p.274.

wt 11/15/28 p.344.

Lieu

From my understanding, the point of the matter is this: claiming the knowledge however erroneous is not coming from men but God himself. Remember, the small group of guys unequivocally state they are being "spirit directed". They are saying the mistakes are not mere imperfect human (gross) error, its the Holy Spirit. The HS told them falsely.

...... And that everyone is the unforgivable sin. Attributing wrong to the Holy Spirit.

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1 John 4:1 WEB

Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

1 John 5:5-6 WEB

Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? [6] This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

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RC Was Worse Than I thought...

by JW_Rogue in

i was visiting with my family and it seems the rc was worse than i thought.

now they all seem to think that "we are so close to the end" and that the "brothers are really preparing us for the gt".

some even saying that soon our message will change to a judgement message for mankind and talking about how we need to improve "everything we do".

Lieu

Slick videos, imo. Certainly they are using outside/contract production groups. I think a larger portion of JW are female so going the emotional angle may keep quite a few around a bit longer for whatever nefarious reason. The master is delaying and maybe their arms are tired from beating their fellow servants. Use some tech to gain obedience; saves energy, lower cost.

Intersting info about moving to a judgment based message. Judgements are for real prophets and post 1st Century, only for Christ. I suppose they could pronounce judgements on the Congos but that would be same ole same ole.

I just hope they don't completely snap one day and start making video with subliminal suicide messages.

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All 2016 Convention videos in English and all Talk outlines for download

by Watchtower-Free in

all convention videos in english and all talk outlines for download.

http://avoidjw.org/2016-regional-convention/

Lieu

I don't know about everyone else here, but that's a very nice coffee pot in the bunker video.

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The last video in the 2016 convention...

by problemaddict 2 in

...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

Lieu

OT push, done. Persecution complex, done. Obey, loyalty to an org, done. Carrot dangled. Done.

I'm eagerly awaiting a short movie on that Jesus fellow the NT keeps mentioning.

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'Kingdom of God's birth in heaven in 1914' - first reference?

by EdenOne in

can someone tell me please when was the first time that the wts published something to the effect that the kingdom of god was born in heavens in 1914 / jesus enthroned invisibly in 1914 ?

i see an obscure reference to an article in a golden age magazine in 1930 but i can't find the actual quote,.

not looking for quotes that talk about the "coming" or "presence" since 1914. i'm looking for actual mention that the kingdom started in heavens in 1914. when was the first ever time this was clearly said in the publications?

Lieu

Those issues from the link are chock full of the crazy. However, everyone (if you flip a page or so) will be happy to know that the big A is not fought between men or even angels and men. It is the fight between the two angelic sides.

Ok, continue your search.

The info you are looking for is likely in the Finished Mystery which contains 100 or so "prophesies". 1914 was originally the date for Armegeddon, not the enthronement. But after the whole 1870's debacle(s) .....

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'Kingdom of God's birth in heaven in 1914' - first reference?

by EdenOne in

can someone tell me please when was the first time that the wts published something to the effect that the kingdom of god was born in heavens in 1914 / jesus enthroned invisibly in 1914 ?

i see an obscure reference to an article in a golden age magazine in 1930 but i can't find the actual quote,.

not looking for quotes that talk about the "coming" or "presence" since 1914. i'm looking for actual mention that the kingdom started in heavens in 1914. when was the first ever time this was clearly said in the publications?

Lieu

Hmmmm. This one is march 1934

https://archive.org/stream/1930-1934TheGoldenAgeMagazine/1930-1934_Golden_Age#page/n123/mode/2up

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The battle lines are being drawn

by hillfy333 in

with the new rc conventions making their rounds, much has been leaked in regards to their loyalty videos.

disturbing is the ramping up of hatred and shunning towards those who have faded, especially if such ones according to the watchtower are living in sin, but have not been found guilty as yet by the judicial process.

certainly of the criteria of guilt, is talking against the gb, which i personally come under.

Lieu

Therein lies the real problem Billy, no one is paying any attention at regular meetings let alone conventions. It's too boring, intentionally I think. Humans aren't hardwired to sit through hours of lecture with no interactions. No one learns anything in such a manner. No matter the size, you can't ask any questions so you sit there ... just being.

You miss a lot of the crazy being said simply because you've tuned the speakers out and have moved over to internal thoughts (about your legs going to sleep, willing yourself to keep your eyes open, the chair hurts, is it lunch break yet .... toilet run, daydreaming etc)

People remember and like the dramas because of the interactions, it entails more than a guy standing at the podium lecturing.