Hey, Lilacs,
What's your aol handle? I'm LdyPmprnel....perhaps we've met in the chat rooms.
-----LisaBobeesa
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Life without Religion
by edwkey inlike many of you i dedicated many years of my life searching for the "true" faith or religion.. after researching and considering religion i came to the conclusion that there is not such.
i decided to worship god in my own temple.
i hope you find yours.. the force be with you all !!!
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"you can live forever" as an educatio...
by lisaBObeesa inhello fellow ex-es,.
i took a class in cultural anthropology that touched on the subjects of language and doublespeak, loaded language, jargon etc.
i set to reading the "live forever" book looking for these things.
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OK PEOPLE, I KNOW THIS IS LONG, BUT I NEEDED TO DEFINE THE WORDS BEFORE TRANSLATING THE PARAGRAPHS. TELL ME IF YOU THINK MY TRANSLATION IS HONEST. BY HONEST I MEAN, DID I TRANSLATE THE PARAGRAPHS TO SAY WHAT THEY REALLY, HONESTLY MEAN.
ALSO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AFTER READING THE TRANSLATION?
Language
Words used to mean “THINK” (used to tell the reader what to think, or what to think about while reading.):
Recall, imagine, dwell on, keep in mind, consider, meditate, look at, take in, pray, realize, study, learn, notice, examination, understand, desire, ask yourself.Every place you see the above words in the “Live Forever” book you can cross them out and insert the word, “THINK” since that is what the writers really mean.
Also, any good JW knows:
“Gods laws” ( or requirements) = JW laws (or requirements)
“God’s promises” = JW org's promises
“Taking in knowledge of God” and “Reading about God and His promises” = reading the NWT, The WT and Awake, and going to meetings to hear talks.
“sexual immorality” or “fornication” or “drugs” or “evil” or “bad” = being a NON-JW.
“Strengthen your heart” = strengthen your ‘spiritual’ (JW) thinking .
‘spiritual’ = can’t think of the honest JW meaning….help??
“being misled’ = having your thinking tricked. Being lied to.
“God’s mouthpiece” = the JW ORG
Consider this roughly translated paragraph from page 218 (P#4):
“This does not mean, however, that a person has no control over his thinking about wanting to do non-JW actions. If you really want to, you can strengthen your thinking. But it is up to you to do this. Nobody else can win the fight for you. So, first of all, continue to read the NWT, WT and Awake, and go to meetings. Yet more is needed than simply reading and listening to the talks. The talks and literature must sink into your heart. You must come to have a deep feeling about what you are thinking about because you need to make yourself really want to act on it.(When I read this back to myself, I can just see a guy swinging a watch in front of my eyes saying, “You are getting veryyyy sleepy! Soon you will believe you are a duck!)
On to paragraph #5:
“But how can you think and feel the way we are telling you to think and feel about JW laws? You need to think, or think deeply about JW laws. For example, think: What difference does obeying the JW ORG really make? Then think about the lives of people who are non-JW, such as the 19 year old girl who wrote, I got a disease and now I can’t have children because I was a NON-JW”. (I included the implication here) It is truly sad to think about all the trouble that is caused when people disobey JW laws. A woman who was non-JW sadly said: “I had pain and emotional breakdown because I disobeyed (JW laws). I am suffering for that now.(The above paragraph is one of hundreds that use pre-conventional morality. Obey because you will be punished if you don’t)
“Yet you will hear people say that being a non-JW is fun. But so-called fun is only temporary. Do not have your thinking tricked into a course of action that will take away your true and lasting happiness. Think of Moses who was raised as ‘the son of the daughter of Pharaoh.” He lived in the richness of the royal household there in ancient Egypt. However, the Bible says that, when he grew up, he chose the ‘not fun’ JW life instead of having fun being a non-JW. So it must have been fun to be non-JW in the royal household. Why then did Moses turn away from it?
(Could ‘fun’ really mean ‘happy’? Please vote on this!! Also, once again pre-conventional morality….obey to get big reward)
Comments?
I know you all have prepared for this study and have underlined ….lets hear YOUR thoughts!!!! Where is the MS with the mic??
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"you can live forever" as an educatio...
by lisaBObeesa inhello fellow ex-es,.
i took a class in cultural anthropology that touched on the subjects of language and doublespeak, loaded language, jargon etc.
i set to reading the "live forever" book looking for these things.
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lisaBObeesa
Hello fellow ex-es,
I took a class in Cultural Anthropology that touched on the subjects of language and doublespeak, loaded language, jargon etc. I set to reading the "Live Forever" book looking for these things. Found 'em.
Then I took a class in Human Developement that touched on the development of Morality. I looked though the Live Forever book to see what stage of Morality it presented. I found it usually addressed morality at the Pre-Conventional level. (Thats the lowest level of morality and is used by most 6 year olds and it means they "do the right thing because they will be punished if they do the wrong thing.")
I started to read a book on Critical Thinking (taking the class next quarter)....I looked through the "Live Forever" book for Fallacy........ummmm, guess what?
Anyway, how ironic it is that my Live Forever book is now underlined and highlighted all over the place! I have notes in the margins and cross-references! What a great learning tool this book is!
As some of you have so much more education, I bet you would have some great 'comments' if we were to have a 'meeting' and rip the book apart paragraph by paragraph, ooops, I mean 'study' the book.....
What say ye? :)
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What Caused Your First Doubt ?
by Big Jim infor me it was when i was about twelve years old and my best friends dad was disfellowshipped from the congregation.. i could not understand how a god of love would treat someone so coldly.. i used to think what if that was the way my parents would treat me if i had done something wrong, that would be so hard and cruel.. as i got older another thing that bothered me was the beard issue.
it may sound pretty trivial however the society has always refused to make a good arguement as to why they would give you the old cold shoulder if you were to grow one.. two more items; first i could not understand why all the congregations and all the assemblys would give income reports.
and the society never did.
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FIRST DOUBT:
I was about 12 years old, and I thought, "Out of billions and billions of people in the world, how could the very very few JWs be the ONLY ones who are right?"
And then I thought, "And if we are right, how could all those billions and billions of people all be so terribly wrong? Why hasn't at least a few of them figured out some of the truth? At the very least, why don't ANY of the other Christian religions, with their scores of serious students of the bible and nuns and clergy and entire colleges dedicated to study with Doctors of Theology.....why don't ANY of them believe only 144,000 are going to heaven??"
And then, or actually maybe before the other two doubts, was this one: "DF does not seem to be loving. Actually, it seems like the most terrible, awful, crewl thing I can think of." (Needless to say, I resolved at a very early age to never get DF.)
-------LisaBobeesa
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for those who "grew up in the borg"
by zev inat this late, middle stage of my life, i've started wondering, now that i know what i know, about the things in my life that i "lived" with.
having been raised all my life in the "borg" i have known nothing else.
when questions began forming years ago, it started me thinking.
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Well, this one I had to reply to.
I was raised in the Borg. I never got baptised because of nagging questions that bothered me since I in about 6th grade. I remember speaking of these doupts only one time before I became a rebelious teenager. I spoke to a close friend who told me to 'put them out of your mind! It works for me!' That's when I really started to think....I left the Borg at 18, as soon as I had the chance.
I am 32 now, so it's been 14 years since I was 'active' and 20 years since I started to 'think freely.'
To this day:
1. JOINING I can't 'join' anything. I can't join a support group like AA or Alanon...I can't just can't 'join.' I can't join the PTA, for gosh sakes!! I mean, I can go to a few meetings of these groups, but I can't seem to actually become a 'part-of', even if I really want to. A part of me just wants to RUN as fast and as far as I can get, and I always do.
2. HOLLIDAYS I never remember people's birthdays, and usually forget my own. (I don't forget the date, I just forget it's next Tuesday....) I feel like I don't know what to do at Christmas, STILL. I have no real traditions.....I mean, I put up a tree, wrap presents, eat dinner, do the Santa thing (kids).......sometimes I even make it to a non-threatening Chruch.....but I still feel detached from the whole thing. I feel like I was robbed of the 'real' Christmas because of how I was brought up.
3. ARGUEING I can't stop myself. I argue all the time, any little point, mostly for the fun of it. Actually, I am getting better about this these days, but I know it will always be with me. Someone says, "Bush is a crappy president," and I have to argue, even if I do think he is a crappy president! I argue over the weather, how good a movie was, politics,.....I get out books and try to prove my point, no matter how small, just to prove I am right. Sick, very sick.
4. GOD/CHURCH It took YEARS to find God. It took more years to find religion. I don't think I will ever find a Chruch. (see #1)
5. RAISING CHILDREN I always think I am doing it wrong. I always second guess myself. I swing from being to soft and then too hard on them, never being able to find the middle (see #6). I have a very difficult time sharing my faith with my Children, despite my love of Christ. I still don't really know how to throw a birthday party for the kids... poor guys. I give them parties, but I feel like I don't know what I am doing!!
6. FINDING the MIDDLE I have a hard time not being far to the right or far to the left in many situations. Worse still, I KNOW I'm too far to one side and so then I swing wildly to the other side....I don't know if ya know what I mean......
Anyhow, thanks for the topic and thanks for listening....
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Disfellowshipping Doesn't Sever Family Ties?
by tergiversator in"disfellowshipping does not sever family ties.".
or so claims the watchtower's official faq.
so, i would like to take an informal poll: how has being disfellowshippid/ disassociated/ inactive/ just having doubts affected relations with your family?
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lisaBObeesa
My JW sister has completely cut ties to our DF mother. She will not allow our mother to see her grandchildren, will not call, will not write, considers our mother better off dead. Before the DF, they were very, very close.
Doesn't sever family ties my ass.
----Lisa
PS I told my sister about this FAQ on that site and she said it wasn't a real JW site!! She won't even go look at it!
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are you sitting down?........PRINCE is a JW!!!!!
by lisaBObeesa inhello all, registered just to post this and see what you all had to say about this.
i, for one, am in shock.
it was anounced today on "extra" and they said we would soon see a change in his music because he was "marrying his music to his religion.
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Just to let you know, I emailed the EXTRA website and after several tries I got a human response!! Ok, a very, very short human response, but a human response just the same.
Here is their response:
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We did air that story and it is trueExtra Online
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Here is the email I had wrote to them that the above response is responding to :)-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: 5/13/01 3:29 PM
Subject: REAL HUMAN please respond!! :) ........2nd email......Dear Extra,
Please help! I saw a story on Prince becoming a Jehovah's Witness
5/8/01 on
EXTRA. This story is NOT on the website. I need to provide some sort
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proof that I saw this, and that Prince is now public about being an
official
Jehovah's witness.So far, I can find no other source that says Prince is doing anything
but
studying with the Jws.This is a big story to some people and I would like to be able to show
proof
of what I saw. Please respond!Randy Watters would like to put this info about Prince on his website,
but he
won't do it untill he has proof of the story. ( [email protected] )----Lisa
----------------------------------------------So there you have it!!!! They DID air the story and it is true!
But WAIT! There's more! I got another email from the EXTRA site! It says:
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It is true that EXTRA did a story on Prince being a Jehovah's WitnessExtra Online
------------------------------------------------So there it is. Prince is a Jehovah's Witness. Short and sweet. No pun intended.
------LisaBobeesa
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are you sitting down?........PRINCE is a JW!!!!!
by lisaBObeesa inhello all, registered just to post this and see what you all had to say about this.
i, for one, am in shock.
it was anounced today on "extra" and they said we would soon see a change in his music because he was "marrying his music to his religion.
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ok all ya non-believers.......I'm gonna find some proof of this conversion on the web someplace...just havn't found it yet.
Funny thing is I saw this story on EXTRA, the TV show. EXTRA has a website. The site talks about all the other stories that were featured yesterday on the show, but I see nothing on Prince!
But I will find it....someplace......
---lisaBObeesa
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are you sitting down?........PRINCE is a JW!!!!!
by lisaBObeesa inhello all, registered just to post this and see what you all had to say about this.
i, for one, am in shock.
it was anounced today on "extra" and they said we would soon see a change in his music because he was "marrying his music to his religion.
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Moxy,
The whole segment on "EXTRA" was to announce he has converted and is now a devout JW.
I take this to mean he has been baptised, otherwise I don't think he could call himself a Jehovah's Witness like that. Yeppers, I think hes had "The Big Dunk."
I'm going to search the web and see if I can find the story.
---lisaBObeesa(meanwhile, everybody follow expatbrit's lead and see if we can't come up with some JW 'changes' to Prince's music..I mean what else have you got to do??)
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are you sitting down?........PRINCE is a JW!!!!!
by lisaBObeesa inhello all, registered just to post this and see what you all had to say about this.
i, for one, am in shock.
it was anounced today on "extra" and they said we would soon see a change in his music because he was "marrying his music to his religion.
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Hello all, registered just to post this and see what you all had to say about this. I, for one, am in shock. It was anounced today on "EXTRA" and they said we would soon see a change in his music because he was "marrying his music to his religion." They said he is now a very devout Jehovah's Witness.
Comments? Are ya shocked like me?
LisaBObeesa