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  'Prepare for Banning' A HOAX! READ INSIDE

  by ashitaka in

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  my friend called me last night and said that his mother heard a letter read on monday night at her congregation meeting that said that the rank and file should be prepared to be banned, to go underground, and persecution is coming soon, that halls would be taken, and such.

  that these things are definitely coming soon.

  could this be the spin that the wt is heading towards.....instead of facing the hard issues, make the issues the boogeyman and shut down the halls, giving the elders ultimate power?

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  lisaBObeesa

  ashitaka,

  Thanks for the response. That is just wierd. I swear to god, some elders are crazy. I mean really, actually crazy in the head.

  -LisaBObeesa
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  'Prepare for Banning' A HOAX! READ INSIDE

  by ashitaka in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my friend called me last night and said that his mother heard a letter read on monday night at her congregation meeting that said that the rank and file should be prepared to be banned, to go underground, and persecution is coming soon, that halls would be taken, and such.

  that these things are definitely coming soon.

  could this be the spin that the wt is heading towards.....instead of facing the hard issues, make the issues the boogeyman and shut down the halls, giving the elders ultimate power?

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  lisaBObeesa

  He hoaxed the entire hall, and made everyone sick to their stomachs.

  WHY WOULD HE DO THIS???

  Edited by - LisaBOBeesa on 25 September 2002 20:7:35
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  Help a lurking dub with doubts

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been lurking about, checking out some of the evidence against the wtbs.

  i am currently inactive but still an approved/baptized member.

  i have seen all the 1914/607bce evidence; the blood transfusion quandry evidence; the current child abuse problem evidence and several other things that are damning to the wt doctrines.

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  hello undercover!

  I try to weed through the most negative to look for facts and evidence, not opinion and mudslinging.

  I can tell you are going to be fine!

  My predicament in having lost faith in the Society is this: Does the GB really believe they are God's human channel for all of mankind to learn about his kingdom? Or is there some sinister conspiracy?

  We can never really know unless we were able to get inside their heads, but Ray Fanzs book really made me lean to the conspiracy side. This is because I found out from reading the book things like:

  New Light is decided by a 2/3 vote of the Governing Body.

  Obviously, if they have to vote about it, and if they dont all vote the same, then GOD is not leading them. And they MUST know it.

  Also, they have realized they were wrong about things and tried to cover those things up. Because of these FACTS, we KNOW THAT THEY KNOW they are not LED BY GOD.

  However, to be fair, some of them could be deluded or perhaps insane with power and unable to see that if GOD were speaking through and to the GB, then all the GB members would ALL GET THE SAME MESSAGE, AND THE MESSAGE WOULD BE CORRECT!!!!!!!.

  So, they are either CRAZY or EVIL. Hum

  Personally, I think it is a combination of the two.

  Is it to fleece millions of people to make them rich or powerful?

  Rich, not so much. Power, yes. (my guess)

  What do they gain by this notoriety?

  See above.

  The thing about committing yourself to the fact that the WTBS may not be God's organization is if they are not, then who is?

  Or is there an earthly organization at all? God is a god of organization.

  I dont think that there is such a thing as Gods One True Organization. And God is a god of organization is not in anyway proof that there is such a thing as 'Gods One True Organization' as the JWs teach it.

  When you see all the so called "mind-control" evidence compiled and listed together from years of literature it makes me wonder, "Are they really that smart? Are they trying to control our very thinking?

  I did a little reading about tactics that the WT uses in books that are not about the WT, and I came to the conclusion that they ARE that smart.

  Or is just because of being no different than the rest of us(ideas and opinions change over time) and there is more than one man's thoughts going into the writing, that things just get muddled up?" If they were that smart, I can't see them getting caught in inconsistencies all the time.

  Actually, if you think about it, for 90% of active witnesses at a given time, THEY (the GB) ARE NOT CAUGHT, EVER.

  Some of the teachings are correct and have opened the door to people learning about the Bilbe, while others seem to be contrived, relying on old opinions and dogma. Am I being picky about things that will eventually get straightened out, or am I correct in sensing that something is very wrong?

  I dont know. Do you think insisting on TRUTH instead of lies in your religion is being picky?

  I have not read R. Franz's or C.O. Johansons books yet. I'm trying to figure a way of getting them locally, paying cash instead of charging over the Internet. Yea, a little paranoid. I know that's what some of you will say to do, is read these books.

  Yes, read the Franz book for sure.

  But I would like some input as to what finally made up your minds. Is there anyone else that had the same thoughts that I have now? What convinced you to believe as you do now?

  For me, all I did was go to the library. I had heard people say that JW had changed their Bible. I decided to start with that issue and see for myself the facts. I pulled every bible off the library shelf, compared the verses that were questioned with the NWT, and researched what scholars had to say about these verses and why. I spent an afternoon, and by the time I left there was not a question in my mind. I had seen the facts for myself. They actually HAD changed the Bible to support their doctrines! Therefore they LIED and so were not The Truth.

  Are some of you still active, afraid to commit and comment outloud because of the possibility of losing all former ties to friends and relatives? Is that not as hypocritical as some say the GB is?

  This is a very difficult question. Is it morally wrong to fake it to keep your mother, father, brothers or sisters? My thinking is that if it was THE TRUTH, maybe it would be immoral to fake it. But it is not the truth, it is a FAKE and a SHAM, and our relatives are being TRICKED, and I for one dont want FAKE GB MEN taking my family away. If I can avoid that by just not saying anything, then of course I will. Perhaps I can help them out. If they are shunning me, I could never help them out.

  As you can see, I am fairly confused over this. Do I jump on the bandwagon of saying the Society is full of mistakes just so I can be part of the World? Sounds like the easy way out.

  It doesnt sound that way to me. It sounds difficult, not easy, to change your whole way of looking at the world and it sounds like the bandwagon is not a factor in your thinking but rather facts and evidence are the basis of your thinking. At least that is what you said at the beginning, right? Trust your mind, you are smart!

  WELCOME TO THE BOARD!

  -LisaBObeesa
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  Who else went sex crazy?

  by buffy in

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  2. relationships

  ok, question for all the non dubs.

  am i the only one who went totally wild (sexually) when i got df'd?

  well, i actually went wild when i turned 21 and became inactive.

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  Dear Brother SWORD,

  you said:

  I will certainly answer your question. I am here for my own personal reasons, one of them being that I can see ahead of time how Satan is organizing opposers against Jehovah and his representatives here on earth. In a war, it's very important how your enemies manipulate information and resources in order launch attacks against you. This way I am prepared for Satan's attacks.

  You dont have to worry about this war, right? Dont you have faith in Jehovah? Wait on Jehovah!! He will take care of the apostates and the 'war' you speak of!

  The counsel of the Faithful and Discrete Slave is to stay off of apostate sites.

  Jehovah has given you direction through the Faithful Slave for your protection. We must be humble LOYAL to Jehovah. Do you feel that you dont have to listen to Jehovahs counsel?

  If you would like to talk about your concerns, I can arrange to have some elders to call on you. Just email me with your congregation. I am sure that these brothers can redirect your thinking on these matters. I can see you are a honest-hearted one.

  The congregation must be united and clean. If one member starts going on to apostate sites, even with the best intentions, the safety of the entire congregation is threatened. And you do not want to have bloodguilt for stumbling one of your brothers or sisters do you? Surely not!!

  How sad it would be if we did not see you in the new system because you thought you could ignore councel and you one day fell into apostacy because you spent too much time in the company of apostates! It could happen! It has happend to some other brothers and sisters who thought they were 'too strong' to be turned away.

  Remember, the spirit of independence is just what Satan wants us to have. Independent thinking is a snare that, sadly, many of our brothers have fallen into. Don't let it happen to you!

  Perhaps instead of spending all this time at apostate sites your time would be better spent in Jehovahs real work, the door-to-door ministry. Im sure you would find it encouraging, and it would help you to keep your mind on uplifting things.

  LisaBOBeesa

  [email protected]
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  College and home schooling statisctics

  by land walker in

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  hello everyone!.

  i am looking for college attendance and home schooling percentage official statistics for jehovah's witnesses.

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  lisaBObeesa

  When e.g. one hears about some witness kid not allowed to play with non-witness kids
  most witnesses here find that rather extreme).

  Thats how it was for me growing up a JW. And for all my friends. Any JW child that was allowed to play with non-witness friends was considered a possible bad association and their parents were considered weak. I am 33 years old now, to give you some frame of reference as to when I was raised. I am talking about the 70's and 80's here.

  Now, I could play with a kid I met outside from around the block sometimes...but I couldn't go to their house or anything. And they couldn't come into my house. And I couldn't play with them very often. Just once in a while, and only for a short time. Because they were worldly.

  Id definitely say that the majority of witness parents are less one-sided than previous
  generations of witnesses.

  Well, thats good!

  -LisaBObeesa
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  Does leaving Jehovah's Witnesses ruin you

  by kenpodragon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the things i hear mentioned a lot about being a jehovah's witnesses.

  is that once you leave, it ruins you for all other religions.

  as you think that you know all the faults of other religions, and could not put any faith in them.

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  Thank you for this great post!

  -LisaBObeesa
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  Mormons making movies, how about us?

  by truman in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  this week's "newsweek", sept. 23, 2002, has a small article about a current series of movies made by mormons skewering their culture.. they're a laugh riot.

  mormons, known for their seriousness and sobriety, are letting loose on the silver screen with a spate of small-budget comedies.

  .....two brigham young university grads, started the trend with "the singles ward", a campy jab at the mormon singles scene... (a line about divore: "our ancestors were able to handle 4 or 5 wives.

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  I couldn't imagine people being that starved for entertainment.

  You obviously have not seen how excitied active JWs are over the new drama on VHS. :)
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  Elder removed because of son's mistake...more BS

  by LyinEyes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wild turkey ran into an elder he knows in business and the brother didnt know about us d/a ourselves.

  which is shocking to me, since there is so much gossip always going on, now i am sure everyone who doesnt know soon will.. anyway, this brother has been an elder for many years, and he told my husband that he was removed because his son, who is a senior in high school was publicly reproved.

  i think this is very sad , only because of more of their polices and backward ways of thinking.

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  I certainly not the first one to think or write this - but using the above scenario, God is unfit to rule the universe. What better father could there be than the Creator - and yet if we believe the Genesis and Job accounts - some of his perfect creation rebelled.

  WOW, I can't believe I never thought of that! Great point.
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  McClaren F1

  by TTBoy in

  1. social
  2. physical

  not sure if anyone noticed or cares about my screen pic.

  it's a mcclaren f1.

  this is the most expensive/amazing car ever made.

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  LOL @ joannadandy!
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  First Day of School

  by Valis in

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  2. friends

  i couldn't let wt do all the braggin about the chillerins so here's ms.frances of the "center point kindergarden" class...this is a digital photo of a regular photo so please excuse the quality.... .

  sincerely,.

  district overbeer.

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  lisaBObeesa

  And Valis,

  Your daughter is soooo cute... :)

  They grow so fast..*sigh*