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  Real Jehovah's Witnesses (djeggnog, StandFirm, etc), I'm trying to understand you.

  by pirata in

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  i'm an active jehovah's witness.

  i've obviously lost my faith, that's why i don't feel bad posting here anymore.

  i'd probably be disfellowshipped as a division causing, teaching, apostate, faster than you can say "maher-shalal-hash-baz" (isaiah 8:1), should it be found out that i was posting here and did not repent of the things i've said and stop participating in this forum.

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  I'd love to know what the prolific defenders of the faith like 20571pnt428571 and DJeggnog do for a living that allows them to go over every single comment with a fine toothed comb and reply at such length. I can't help but feel there is an element of OCD about it. Maybe I'm just lazy! Or maybe I just gave up slavish obsession over doctrine a while back *shrug*
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  Sometimes You Just Gotta Score One For the Cult Members

  by PublishingCult in

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  i really don't care much for jw's at my door, or at anyone's door.

  this chauvinistic, fanatical bully-a-hole, however, is one of the worst examples of a christian i have ever seen.

  the jw's handled themselves very well in the face of this ridiculous bullying and taunting by this so-called christian attempting to school the jw's about god and the bible.

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  Mixed emotions over this clip - the antagonist is just on a power trip like most fanatical evangelical christians, making himself feel good about hounding some mild mannered older witnesses. So he is clearly a major a-hole.

  I did like the way he refuted the sister's classic illogical comment along the lines of '7 million dubs can't be wrong'.

  In the final analysis though, it makes me want to dig out an old suit, dust off the bookbag, walk down that guy's street, and then see the look on his face when he starts on me and he gets a full-on verbal assault right back, no holds barred. Problem is I would more than likely punch his lights out after about ten seconds, so maybe I had better keep that idea on ice.
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  Counselled on chatting to a study!

  by Penn9 in

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  2. beliefs

  hey all, i'm new to posting, but i've lurked for a while.

  quick intro: i'm a 25 yr old guy, brought up a jw, strayed for a while, then got baptized convinced it was the best thing for me, the rest of the world is satanic, etc.

  i overcame that ridiculous belief and i know the truth about "the truth" but my friends and family are all deep into the cult so leaving is a huge risk that i'm not willing or ready to take.

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  Hi and welcome!

  Above all else, this should make you seriously consider getting out altogether. You can't win within the system, you will always be under surveillance no matter how high up you rise, so you either need to tell the girl privately how you feel about the 'truth' and hope she starts to think for herself, or walk away.

  Of course you could stick it out, be squeaky clean, hope that you and her can get married one day, and then slowly try to help her realise the reality of the organisation. But if you ask me that is a high-risk long-term strategy that could see you end up wasting your whole life... but it's your call :P

  On another note, this is exactly the sort of scenario that crops up in the congregations - whenever someone we are even remotely attracted to shows up, we read it as if this is our chance, this is the one. Because we limit our circle of association to our own congregation or maybe surrounding congregations, the pool of potential partners is ridiculously small, and we end up appraising people by overlooking basic conditions that are pretty essential to a relationship succeeding. The pressure to a) get married in the first place like everyone else in the cong wants you to, b) find someone half suitable, and c) grab them as fast as possible before anyone else does, is just immense. Not to mention the raging hormones factor. So who cares if we're really that well suited or not, she looked hot in her assembly outfit, or he gives such nice comments at the WT study, or she likes one of the bands I do! That's good enough for me, now just get me to the KH on time!

  It really is not a good environment to be starting a relationship. The JW marriages that genuinely succeed and where the people are still genuinely happy and in love years later, are the exceptions rather than the rule imo. The no divorce policy makes people stay together even if they have realised they don't actually get on so well, rather than risk becoming social pariahs and losing face or status. Sure they can grow to be fond of each other over time, but that's not what it's all about surely... Who gives a damn about successful marriage statistics, happiness is far more important.

  Anyway good luck in the weeks months and years ahead, just remember this little episode, there will almost certainly be more of them, and one day you will hopefully find yourself looking back on them as the straws that broke the camels back.
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  How HIGH did you climb the ranks as a JW? Did you like the STATUS?

  by unshackled in

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  so what were your biggest jw accomplishments as a rank & file?

  curious as to what level you climbed the r&f ladder while in the org, or if you still are in.. did you regular pioneer, or auxiliary pioneer?

  bethel?

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  MS, regular pioneer 11 years, Ministerial Training School (as it was known back then) and subsequent reassignment, elder, secretary, circuit assembly speaker a few times before I stepped down as elder.

  Didn't really have time to consider whether or not I liked the high profile, you just had to get on with it. I enjoyed the ministry a lot, mainly because I got to talk to people with real opinions and interesting lives.
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  re-enforcing the shunning of immediate family - WT 7-15-11

  by undercover in

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  2. bible

  july 15th wt study edition (regular dumb edition, not the dumber one).

  god's rest - have you entered into it?.

  subheading, when someone we love leaves jehovah.

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  I love this part:

  After all, their son had a choice, and he chose to pursue his unchristian lifestyle rather than to continue to enjoy close association with his parents and other fellow believers.

  Not 'rather than to continue to enjoy a spiritual relationship with Jehovah.'

  I really hope JWs that read this will have their ears prick up at this sentence. It shows clearly what kind of pressure the WTBTS uses to control its members. Nothing related to your actual beliefs is as powerful a deterrent as the loss of family association, not even the threat of destruction at Armageddon. One is vague, ethereal, a promise from an ancient book; the other is real, tangible, flesh, blood, bone, and cradled within your heart. They know where your weak spot is, and they will rabbit punch it until kingdom come to achieve their ends.

  But really what is happening here is that they are twisting the knife for the parents. They are attempting to convert the wavering uncertain mother and father into hate-filled cold-hearted statues who feel entirely justified in their treatment of their child, while simultaneously empowering them to feel spiritually virtuous, pious, Christ-like.

  "Your son rejected YOU, not God! He can't really even love you at all! He HATES you! Reject him! God wants you to! You want God to love YOU don't you?? Save yourselves!! LET GOD KILL HIM!!"

  Very, very clever. And very, very evil.
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  All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.

  by koolaid-man in

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  2. friends

  this highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.

  concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.

  barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.

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  LMAO :D
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  Its official, call me Mr Apostate from now on

  by Joey Jo-Jo in

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  i overheard a conversation from my family, jw's are shunning me, but the best part is i am not a jw, never been bathtised, just a born in who woke up in his early thirties.

  the reasoning behind it was something i did, it wasn't fornication because im still a virgen, it wasn't stealing, killing or praying to false gods, drinking or anything that the bible defines as sin, im not even the going out type, i dont have many friends, never been reprove or did anything to set a bad example (i was your typical jw) no no no, it was a book, it was sending an email to a family member who happens to be jw with the shephearding the flock ppf.. this book was a huge shock to the person, eventually it raised questions and spread around, eventually this went full circle back at me, my parents already concerned for some time has asked brothers to see if they can fix my reasoning so i can be brainwashed again and give them money to some rich guys in brooklyn who dont have any ethical responsibilities towards others.

  i wanted my parents to do this, i want them to see what the brothers will do and say about me, thinking and hopping, that some day they will wake up from their long sleep.

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  All the best Joey, at least you have woken up now. Go and live your life!

  On a side note, I don't know why people get so foaming at the mouth about the elder's book. I used to have one and it's for the most part incredibly dull and procedural, and I can't recall anything in it that you wouldn't already know about the JWs. Besides which it's usually the stuff that elders have to write in themselves around the margins at KM schools or CO visits that might be slightly more contentious, but even still, if people are after evidence of dark secretive cult behaviour they are always going to be sorely disappointed. It's very, very boring.

  I suppose anything that the rank and file are forbidden from looking at, invariably becomes more enticing to them. Stupid really. I'm sure it was a careful ploy to jack up the levels of fear and suspicion amongst the flock, 'let's make it a SECRET book and really get them paranoid!'
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  It felt good to spend a day with a non JW gay! :)

  by TimothyT in

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  2. relationships

  for those of you who are in the slightest bit interested, i thought i would give you an update into how my life is now panning out since i accepted my sexuality.. so, contrary to what the jws have counselled all these years, i found a guy on a dating website named jack, and started to get quite friendly with him through text messages and facebook!

  it has now been 3 weeks.

  yesterday... i met up with him!.

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  Sounds great! Good luck with this guy, I'm sure you'll have a blast whatever happens. I think the first relationship we have outside of the organisation is really a crucial one, it helps us realise we are just like anyone else, and that people outside are just like us. Everyone has baggage, it's how we handle it that matters. I usually talk about my JW past pretty early on with people, it's quite a conversation starter really, and helps people understand various personality quirks much easier!

  The main thing is you really sound happy, which is just brilliant :)
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  Walkill Bethel Recreational Facility

  by dontplaceliterature in

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  2. friends

  my wife and i just visited some friends over the weekend from another congregation.

  these two are both full time pioneers, and also participate in various construction projects around the country.

  the husband just got back from a 3 week trip to walkill, new york to help with construction on a new residence building at 'the farm' (does anyone call it that anymore?)..

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  Typical WT - one rule for them, another rule for us. The drones outside the HQ have to be reined in and are kept under control via guilt and fear, but the drones inside HQ have to be kept relatively happy so that they will stay and slave for the masters for free for a few more years.

  Anyway, surely if the WT was building a 'Farm' it would be a human cloning farm to replenish the dwindling publisher ranks? Something like this I guess:

  
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  What a STUPID morning on the ministry!

  by TimothyT in

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  2. beliefs

  tim here.. ok... so... let me tell you about this morning and the utter stupidity of the brothers!.

  just to give you a bit of background info, for those who dont know, i am a gay, 23 year old jw and im seriously heading out of the borg!

  i want this now because i dont fit in anymore!

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  The next elder that gives you grief, just start flirting with him. That'll trip them out big time and send them running. Then deny everything ;)