LOL@Eman.
You've made my morning!!!
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LittleToe
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Red Flag Apostate Phrases for JWs
by comment ini remember that when i was a witness, seeing certain phrases would trigger the response: "aha, this must be from an apostate!".
those words and phrases included:.
"the watchtower society"--because the brothers would usually just call it "the society" and because this was, of course, merely a legal instrument the brothers used to advance the preaching work.. "the governing body"--because despite the power they may wield, the governing body does stay in the background personality-wise most of the time and has done so pretty much since the days of knorr; therefore, i regarded any attempts to point to them as personally important as suspicious (and can recall being charmed in an odd way a few years ago when a brother giving a public talk was unable to recall the name of the society's current president).. "the rank and file"--obviously this was insulting because jehovah's witnesses have no clergy-laity division!
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LittleToe
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Ignorant Elder Comments
by El Kabong ini don't know if this was discussed here before, but, what is the most ignorant comment you ever heard an elder say.
i once had an elder say to me that my brother, who was at the time fighting in vietnam will be destroyed and killed over in 'nam because he did not accept "jehovah"!!!!
i promptly told him to go "f" himself.
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LittleToe
How about no comment at all.
I once overheard a sister pouring her heart out to an elder, whilst he looked off into the middle distance.
When she finished he nodded his head and walked off, whilst she gaped.LT
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Red Flag Apostate Phrases for JWs
by comment ini remember that when i was a witness, seeing certain phrases would trigger the response: "aha, this must be from an apostate!".
those words and phrases included:.
"the watchtower society"--because the brothers would usually just call it "the society" and because this was, of course, merely a legal instrument the brothers used to advance the preaching work.. "the governing body"--because despite the power they may wield, the governing body does stay in the background personality-wise most of the time and has done so pretty much since the days of knorr; therefore, i regarded any attempts to point to them as personally important as suspicious (and can recall being charmed in an odd way a few years ago when a brother giving a public talk was unable to recall the name of the society's current president).. "the rank and file"--obviously this was insulting because jehovah's witnesses have no clergy-laity division!
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LittleToe
Using "The Watchtower" instead of "the magazines" (in some contexts).
Using "the GB" instead of "the brothers".
"I'm anointed"
"The Lord"
"The Christ"
...anything to do with Jesus instead of Jehovah, in actual fact.
Use of the word "God" too much, instead of Jehovah.
"The paraclete"
"New light/Old light" (in some contexts).
"the good people in xxxx religion"LT
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How Long???
by Xena ini have been drifting for about 1 1/2 years now and was hoping that in a year or two i would have distanced myself enough from the org.
that i can actually start living my life exactly the way i want to...aka celebrating the holidays by putting lights on the house, not having to tell my daughter not to say anything about going trick or treating, getting birthday presents or going to cheerleader camp.
but i read some posts in the disfellowhiping thread started by somebody where people have been inactive for 3 years and are still disfellowhiped!
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LittleToe
Something else has just crossed my mind, in reference to the above-mentioned section.
If you are asked "would you sit with a JC, if one was formed" you should be safe(ish) answering "No".
It would pay to qualify it by asking if one has been formed.
By doing so you acknowledge that you don't "admit accountability to the congregation", which is one of the questions.If, on the other hand a JC has been formed, saying "No" would get you DF'ed without being seen.
Of course, if they can't contact you they are on a very sticky wicket doing anything at all, since they can't determine wrongdoing/accountability/repentance...
I think we know of plenty of cases where all of the foregoing has been ignored completely, however, and people have been DF'ed anyway.
Kinda tricky, isn't it.LT
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How Long???
by Xena ini have been drifting for about 1 1/2 years now and was hoping that in a year or two i would have distanced myself enough from the org.
that i can actually start living my life exactly the way i want to...aka celebrating the holidays by putting lights on the house, not having to tell my daughter not to say anything about going trick or treating, getting birthday presents or going to cheerleader camp.
but i read some posts in the disfellowhiping thread started by somebody where people have been inactive for 3 years and are still disfellowhiped!
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LittleToe
Xena:
Sorry I haven't replied earlier, my dear, I didn't see this thread until this morning.The source that the elders should use is:
The "Pay Attention" book - UNIT 5(a) pages 99, 100 on the subheading
"Baptized persons who have not associated for some time."
You can get to an online copy of this through links on WatchtowerObserver.Basically it makes it a judgement call by the local elders.
The phrase "some time" has been interpretted in a "Question from Readers" on another subject as at least two years.
The elders have the final say on interpretting the phrase, however, as well as whether or not to pursue (based on the questions in that section).
Be aware that some elders will ignore this section completely and pursue anyway, if it suits their brand of pedantry.Hillary:
I didn't know about the unwritten five-year thing. That's interesting. So many things are "unwritten" that it makes for great latitude in so-called justice.LT
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Two Witnesses Rule
by Stephanus init just occurred to me that you could have fun with that rule.
single out your favourite elder and privately go up to him and call him every expletive you know.
when they try to discipline you, ask, "are there two witnesses to this?
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LittleToe
Just be aware that if you do that to two individuals on two separate ocassions, they may still nab you. If you're going to do it, stick to the same individual.
LT
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What flavor are you? Test Du Jour
by Esmeralda inokay...a little fun on a friday night.... : http://www.emode.com/emode/tests/flavor.jsp.
mmm ... mocha!
strong and rich but not too sweet you're the flavor of late nights and early mornings.
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LittleToe
You've got me hooked on these things. I used to hate 'em.
PINK grapefruit? Well really!!!Mmm ... pink grapefruit! Sweet and tart at the same time, you're bursting with sun-kissed goodness. If you were a song, you'd be "It's a Sunshine Day" by the Brady Bunch — you're just that perky and refreshing. That's not to say that you don't have an edge — quite the contrary. In fact, a little bit of sugar (aka gifts, praise, and other goodies) can always bring out your naturally sweet flavor. But when it comes down to it, you prefer folks who can match you in strength and independence. Luckily, that kind of attitude is appealing, so you always have 'em wanting more. Citrusy, tangy, and a little exotic, you're a truly tasty treat.
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YES! YES! YES!
by JanH inliverpool won (with a fowler hat trick!
), arsenal only made a draw, and united lost.
life is good!
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LittleToe
LOL
Somedays life is VERY good!LT
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Recurring Dream
by Englishman ini keep having this dream that i have started smoking again.. i packed it in years ago, but i am always dreaming that i am in a social situation chatting to friends when i sudenly realise that i have been smoking cigarettes all evening.
then i start to feel very upset and hurl the pack away.
i keep shouting that it was a mistake, that i hadn't even realised that i was smoking, but no-one believes me.
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LittleToe
Too much vino?
LOLI have a pal who had a similar type of dream.
Then he would wake up to a pile of stub-ends on the side.
He claimed he never knew how they got there.
Go figure...LT
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HELP - Elders want to talk about Disassociation
by Steven ini thought that this was all out of the way when 2 weeks ago my wife & i handed in letters of disassociation.. we have been since then trying to adjust & just when i thought i was getting somewhere - starting to feel normal again - i got a phone call 1hr ago from our presiding overseer saying that they haven't announced it yet & wanted to talk.. he is a very nice guy & i was caught totally unprepared so i put him off - said i would ring back later - 2pm'ish uk time.. now i have that horrible feeling in my stomach again - help!.
basically, when it comes down to it i don't think we want them to come over - it will open us up too much & i don't want that.. also, though, i want to sort it out; so i am thinking of just chatting to him for a bit on the phone.. i didn't really want to do this since it could knock their faith & also i am not fully ready to argue all of the facts with elders.
however it looks like i will have to.. anyway when it boils down to it they can argue away all of the facts like the un thing etc.
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LittleToe
Just as a point of note, which I imagine most will concur with (this is really for those who haven't seen the light yet).
If you are DF'ed the brothers assume you did something - probably sexually - and the shutters come down, because you're now classed as a lowlife.
If you DA, some ask "WHY???". Their minds seek answers and gossip.
Going to a further extreme, if you then get branded an apostate, the shutters come down again, with no further questions asked.It's down to keywords that produce a knee-jerk reaction.
It IS an indoctrination thing.
A similar piece of indoctrination is currently going on to get the word "Internet" associated with "apostate". For most this has already been connected.Seen it time and time again, as have many on this board.
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