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In Scotland it is acceptable, in the community, to wear a beard.
Whilst not uncommon for brothers to grow them, it would restrict you.
Brothers are neither used as visiting speakers, nor on Assembly parts. It also slows down an individual's "spiritual growth".
Sadly, mine will not last long because my wife hates it. Alledgedly it's like kissing a brush...
...I should have followed up by asking her when she last tried kissing a brush!
hey uk posters and lurkers.... please vote will this saturday... not only does he carry (part of) my name (oooh that will get the dubs lurking excited..."ooh ooh one step closer to outing britboy -pun intended-), and gorgeous, but he has the real pop idol talent!
gareth is just another flash in the pan westlife wannabe!!
ta all.
LOL@AllIWanna
Nicky annoys me, too.
"well, that was....nice".
Grrr - be honest you two-faced *****.
Hmm, I guess this is a Brit-only thread - LOL.
Thanks for posting it, though, Britboy.
amazing wrote:.
"i was able to get my wife and children out, and this led to my son-in-law and a close friend leaving at the same time.
so, i am among the more fortunate in that my immediate family, and non-jw friends and relatives were all there with me as i exited.
I can't, in all honesty, knock Amazing for what he did, nor the means he used to achieve it. I applaude his success, especially since it gives hope to those that have the stamina to attempt the methods.
I can, however, also see where Perry is coming from and really enjoyed the eloquence.
I suspect that it's horses for courses. No method is guaranteed to succeed, and given the scale of the problem the odds on succeeding are minimal.
<Groan> - time for me to get depressed, again!
Tina hit the nail on the head about the "anointed". I had viewed them that way, myself, and knew the mentality.
Most of the "young anointed" that I've contacted have kept their heads below the parapet, else made their escape.
1935 - IMHO a man-made solution to a man-made problem.
dear pope, mr. falwell, mr. baker, mr. gordon b. hinkley,.
the chances of you reading this are the same as the gb reading this.. which makes this just as lame as posts on this board to the gb.. .
thanks.
Is this the post of someone running out of ideas?
hey uk posters and lurkers.... please vote will this saturday... not only does he carry (part of) my name (oooh that will get the dubs lurking excited..."ooh ooh one step closer to outing britboy -pun intended-), and gorgeous, but he has the real pop idol talent!
gareth is just another flash in the pan westlife wannabe!!
ta all.
I'm deeply saddened that Darius went out.
Maybe it's just the Scot in me.
We need more love in this room!
You are right about poor Gareth - he should be in a group. I don't think he would hack it in a solo career, even though he's a nice kid.
after much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.
it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.
i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.
Zev:
Thank you SO much.
The truth is that it's taken me this long to post about it because I felt emotionally flogged.
When I left the hall I spent the next few days grieving.
I had in a single stroke destroyed a lifetime's friendships.
I had anticipated that it would hurt, but hadn't appreciated the scale. It was like losing everyone I'd ever known in some kind of disaster.
One of the reasons that I did it the way I did was so that I could take the opportunity to tell folks that I loved them, say goodbye, and give a brief reason why, including a seed of future hope that there is life beyond the borg.
Does that sound corny?
Does it sound ridiculous, since I was precipitating the action?
Should I have gone to town destroying their faith?
Many here know the feelings, so I know I haven't got the monopoly on that.
Maybe I could / should have done things differently, but I gave it my best shot. Conscienciously I couldn't stay, so I tried my best after a heap of soul-searching. I don't even know if I've done the right thing with what I've posted on my homepage (all critique gratefully received).
Maybe the following poem best describes the raw emotion:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14988&site=3
As for now, I'm just plum tired, taking each day as it comes.
For everyone who has offered me prayers, support and encouragement, thanks again.
my wife has been depressed each time we see our jw friends.
she doesn't want to see them anymore, because it reminds her of what she left behind, and it makes her feel bad.. i've offered to go back to meetings for a while to help her break away.
she never wants to go back, but her guilt and anger make her so uncomfortable around active jw's.....it's really bothering her.. any good books out there on breaking away from controlling organizations, especially concentrating on keeping the friendships but not the allegiance to the organization in question?
True to form, the emotional blackmail begins.
I had something similar in the last couple of weeks.
A congregation party, which was "so lovely".
Family gatherings with my wife invited, but not I.
Flaunting of the "wonderful" new TMS Guidebook.
If it wasn't so sad, I would laugh.
Taking advise from several posters here, however, I had begun to put social structures in place before leaving. I'm glad I listened to their advice, because it still hurt like h*ll, but could have been far worse.
Hope things improve for you both, Ashi.
Take care, pal.
i would like some brief stories of people saying the reasons they joined jw organisation.
where you already in another church, were you disillusioned, were you biblically illiterate?
and if it is possible, please let me know where you come from, hoping you're not all from usa.
Birthed in and assimilated.
after much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.
it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.
i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.
Patio34:
A standing ovation! Bravo! Encore!
Hmmm. That's going to be kinda difficult!
part 7: resignation into the void .
the memorial was now past ... and the moment of final decision arrived.
i could no longer continue on being a jw, or at least serving in an appointed position of any kind.
Amazing:
Just loving these threads.
