Hey, give the guy a break - he's on the Board now and investigating. You can't honestly expect a non-JW to totally get it. jgnat is the exception, rather than the rule. He appears to trying his best, poor guy!
LittleToe
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My mom took my son to KH after I told her not to
by unbeliever inreal shock i know that a jw would do that.
i found out today that my mom took my son to the kh behind my back when she was in town visiting.
he's just a little baby so he will have no memories of it.
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URGENT - UK Elders (or elders wives)
by S EIGHT ini am in urgent need of a copy of a letter sent to uk elders in regard to weddings held at the kh and specific comments about the responsibilities of the brother giving the wedding talk.
i'm told this is a fairly recent letter.. we have an elder kicking up hell about innactive ones who want to come and watch the wedding.
he happens to be the one giving the talk and is acting like he has full control on this wedding.
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LittleToe
He's talking a load of b*ll*x!
I recall that letter and the index well, as I was Congregation Secretary until I DAed at the start of 2002. Any new letters are only likely to make more explicit the law on such matters, which includes the doors being open even to the public for a wedding ceremony. Sure, he's responsible in part for that, especially if it is to take place in a Kingdom Hall.
As for the reception, its a private function, not in the Hall premises. It is the Bride and especially the Groom (Head of the new household, and all that) who have ultimate responsibility for what occurs there and who is invited. They don't even need to invite the speaker if they don't want to. Its entirely their choice and at their discretion, with "Elder Body" sanction not required.
However I have commonly heard of DFed relatives not being invited to receptions ("not even eating with such a one"), and folks having "privileges" removed if they attend the wedding of a DFed person or attend a wedding in a church. These are more extreme example of behaviour, though. Unfortunately they are more common than they ought to be, but are still extreme and not universaly applied. I've never heard of it applying to inactive ones, only to the DFed and DAed.
It sounds like the guy who has been invited to give the talk is a real jerk, with an over-inflated sense of his own importance. Just give the talk, lead the vows and STFU, already! Its a stressful enough day without all that pulaver!
LT, of the "p*ssed off at the stupidity, on what should be one of the happiest days of a couple's life" class
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Broken Heart
by jillbedford inmy almost 17 year old daughter left to stay with her dad last thursday.
this is the second time she has left due to my strict rules, like 10p school day curfue, get to school on time, keep your grades above a c. she has not kept to my rules, so as a consequence i told her this last wednesday night she has lost driving priviledges of the car i gave her on her 16th birthday.
she said she was leaving to live with her dad.
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LittleToe
A child wakes up on its 16th birthday and suddenly realises that its parents are idiots.
It wakes up on its 21st and finds itself surprised how much they have learnt in the last five years.
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Trinity?
by BFD ini am reading the bible for the first time.
i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.
until i found jwd 31 years later.
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LittleToe
Methinks we are on a similar enough page. I really don't sweat the small stuff, though I'll argue my perspective with the best of them. Yes I hold in a Unity of three persons, from my own reading of the Canon of 66. That wouldn't be the extent of my theology, though
I'm really looking forward to finally meeting you - its been a long time in coming!!! Folks are mainly from the States, but there are a few of us from England and Scotland as well. I guess that certainly makes it international
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Broken Heart
by jillbedford inmy almost 17 year old daughter left to stay with her dad last thursday.
this is the second time she has left due to my strict rules, like 10p school day curfue, get to school on time, keep your grades above a c. she has not kept to my rules, so as a consequence i told her this last wednesday night she has lost driving priviledges of the car i gave her on her 16th birthday.
she said she was leaving to live with her dad.
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LittleToe
- Age is an attitude of mind
- Weight is a preference
- Sexiness - well, you know when you've got it going on
A marriage without sex for over five years seems pretty dysfunctional, to be brutally honest. I expect that when I hit my 80s I'll still know its not for stirring coffee with, altzeimers or not!
As Six says - get thee therapy post-haste. You are tolerating something that appears to have eroded your self esteem. Fix that and maybe your relationship with your daughter will get some perspective, too. Meanwhile she's nearly an adult and has her own choices and mistakes to make. It sounds like your ex needs to enjoy the pleasures of parenting a teenager for a while, anyhow
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Trinity?
by BFD ini am reading the bible for the first time.
i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.
until i found jwd 31 years later.
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LittleToe
Heathen:I agree that the verse in 1 John is disreputable, but I wouldn't be using a NWT if you paid me...
I take no issue with your Unitarian views. As I stated earlier, I think that focussing on the minutea of doctrine is a distraction from what its all supposed to be about. If God really cared so much He would have abandoned everyone that didn't have it perfectly right. Instead it appears that whatever walk of life, part of the world you come from, church or creed, it is possible to enjoy spirituality.
The doctrine of God attempts to describe something that (as JamesThomas keeps reminding us) is indescribable. Our best efforts are going to be failures, regardless of whether we call ourselves Unitarian, Binitarian, Trinitarian, Polytheist, Deist, Pantheist, Panentheist, etc., etc.
All the Trinity doctrine attempts to do is:
- take and accept the disparate verses that claim Divinity for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
- accord each of them to be an individual person with their own offices
- only when it stumbles against the verse that states that there is only one God does it then attempt that which is physically irreconcilable (but potentially not spiritually so) and turn from Polytheism to Trinitarianism.
It is in this final step that you baulk and instead use a method of grading your Gods into seniority, so that the verse about there being only one God applies only to the Father. I would posit that ultimately we are both wrong, because God is indescribable. Meanwhile we argue about how many angels are on the head of a pin, in an attempt to make a little sense of an ancient text. Its a fun hobby, though, as long as noone loses an eye.
Hey, am I finally going to get to meet you in May??!!!
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My mom took my son to KH after I told her not to
by unbeliever inreal shock i know that a jw would do that.
i found out today that my mom took my son to the kh behind my back when she was in town visiting.
he's just a little baby so he will have no memories of it.
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LittleToe
Poor Ryan really is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He reasonably expects a "middle ground" compromise position. However unbeliever's mum is a JW, and hence doesn't understand the concept, and unbeliever was raised the same way and obviously also struggles with the concept. In the later case its through knowledge that a compromise on this issue is a mistake, but simultaneously she acts in an uncompromising manner towards her hubby, being perfectly prepared to allow the relationship to break over the issue
Foolishness perpetuated to yet another generation. We can but hope that Ryan will be able to inject enough good sense into the child to permit it to live a normal and prosperous life, shielded from the idiosyncracies of a dysfunctional cultish upbringing!
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LDS Church Handbook of Instructions
by What-A-Coincidence inhttp://www.provocation.net/chi/.
link will not work in ie...use firefox.
the book on name removal.
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LittleToe
Q:Your comments bewilder me. Why don't the alarm bells go off and help you realise that a lack of transparency = cult?
Even the Catholic church makes freely available the rules and regulations pertaining things like making Bishops and Popes, etc. Where is the perceived advantage in having something so hidden?
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Broken Heart
by jillbedford inmy almost 17 year old daughter left to stay with her dad last thursday.
this is the second time she has left due to my strict rules, like 10p school day curfue, get to school on time, keep your grades above a c. she has not kept to my rules, so as a consequence i told her this last wednesday night she has lost driving priviledges of the car i gave her on her 16th birthday.
she said she was leaving to live with her dad.
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LittleToe
It sounds like someone needs a dose of "wake up and hit the confidence boosters".
You're not yet 40, keep in good shape, are responsible and work hard. You're not dead - maybe its time to remind yourself of that fact...
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Broken Heart
by jillbedford inmy almost 17 year old daughter left to stay with her dad last thursday.
this is the second time she has left due to my strict rules, like 10p school day curfue, get to school on time, keep your grades above a c. she has not kept to my rules, so as a consequence i told her this last wednesday night she has lost driving priviledges of the car i gave her on her 16th birthday.
she said she was leaving to live with her dad.
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LittleToe
As far as my husband goes, does anyone have much sex after age 35 anyway? Aren't we past the prime for that?
OMG, Nooooo!!! Tell me its not so!!!
~runs off to check if its still working~
Mouthy:
..I still know its not to stir my tea with
You're a very naughty granny... but I like ya