Posts by RayPublisher

However, it sounds like you want to have a confrontation with them (which I totaly understand) so I strongly suggest you set your cell phone to airplane mode and then record it all- this will protect you and also highlight yet another of the crazy gestapo techniques these JW Elders go to.

Good luck bro!! You are gonna be brilliant.

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Reinstatement Rescinded?!?!?

by DATA-DOG in

i heard an announcement some time ago, " [ insert name's ] reinstatement has been rescinded and is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.

" has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

elders, have you ever done this?

RayPublisher

The circumstances on the guy that got DFed after he died was this:

He fooled around with a 15 yr old boy in the KH, who apparently cooperated, but it was still statutory rape of course. When the teen spoke to his parents about what happened they called the police and the JW pedophile guy took off in his vehicle, fled the state, and then found an appropriate place to kill himself.

The elders decided that since he was a repeat offender (Which I never knew at the time) he would have been DFed anyway and they did not want him to have a "JW funeral". So at the next mid-week meeting they announced he was DFed, AFTER he had died. This was in 1990 or 1991, and before they changed these announcements to "[Name] is no longer one of JWs"

Later my a-hole FIL bragged to me that he knew of another circumstance in another area where a young brother drove recklessly and killed the young JW friends that were with him in the car. According to him they also DFed this fellow in abstentia and "ex-post-muerto" as well. He got off on the whole thing and I could tell that he found it fun and fascinating to recount, that much was obvious.

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Trying to find Revelation book with pictures on PDF

by RayPublisher in

it's all over the net without the pictures...but trying to find a scan of the revelation book with pictures is hard- anyone have it??.

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RayPublisher

I don't give a shite the pics are the same lol...but I got the most recent revision. I've already snipped a lot of screengrabs from the book, it may make a great new video and/or article once I sort it all out.

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ALBUQUERQUE | Child Sexual Abuse Case Filed Against Former Jehovah's Witness Elder Michael Brunner

by jwleaks in

child sexual abuse case filed against former jehovah's witness elder michael brunner.

an albuquerque woman filed a lawsuit claiming a church leader sexually abused her as a child.. monica jaramillo said michael brunner, an elder at the jehovah's witness church in los lunas, sexually abused her when she was just 8 years old.. jaramillo, now 35, filed a lawsuit claiming other elders of the church knew about the incident but chose to do nothing.. the complaint also alleges jaramillo's mother was raped by brunner.. jehovah's witnesses in los lunas told kob eyewitness news 4 that brunner left the congregation years ago.. .

video news interview: http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3130582.shtml?cat=500.

RayPublisher

Yes a JW calling himself "Mr Big Picture" is trying to say it is simply due to "imperfection"...Hmmmm we've heard that one before haven't we??? Here is what he wrote, and my responses to him thus far:

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Mr Big Picture (In response to Gojira)

I am sorry that you feel this way as a former witness you should know very well that when you walk into a Kingdom Hall you can not tell who are the elders from the publishers nor do they lord it over the congregation. However with that being said some may allow it to go to their head their position. That is called imperfection, just like we all are but for the most part all the elders are humble well respected citizens and spiritual leaders. It is sad to see that when ones are disciplined or disgruntled they tell half truths. I think you and every one should hold JUDGEMENT until you get the WHOLE story.

ME

Mr Big Picture- The argument that it is only one or two imperfect men doing these things no longer works, as this is a systemic problem within the JW movement, not a local one of limited scope. WT Society policies intentionally shield offenders, as evidenced by the internal letters they have sent out to JW elders as well as the secret elder handbook that the elders are issued. Unless there are "two witnesses" to the abuse then they remain silent and the abuser goes on his merry way. Candace Conti was recently awarded many millions of dollars in a court of law over this issue.

The Big Picture
Thank you seriously for your reply because only if we talk about it openly can you get true information. I use to be an Elder for 10 years the "secret green book" you speak of is only for the elders but it is nothing special and you may even find it on ebay or at garage sale.lol But there is nothing earth shattering or secretive but it's how it's used like the Bible, some people can read it and benefit, other's use it as a coaster or a show piece but if it is used skillfully it can benefit many. There is not a systemic problem as a matter of fact go to a number of congregations find an elder because they do not stand out with robes, hats, etc... and ask different ones what is their policy regarding reporting sexual abuse of any kind. I guarantee you will get the same answer. The two witness scriptural citation is a valid teaching however when it comes to this type of a serious matter, NO. Please read the context around the scripture to get a better understanding. The policies with headquarters are set to assist any victim in a loving way. There are imperfect men & women in the organization, just like any so I'm not saying this did not happen I do not have all the details, nor does any one but I hope as all witnesses hope that justice is done. But until then let's not cast a stone a the people or the organization until we have all the facts.

ME
I have heard more than one elder say that their secret handbook is "just a book" and contains nothing "secret". I've never heard it compared to the Bible though, which I find reprehensible. It is WAY more than just a book to them, and contains things like a loophole on how an elder can confess to fornication after hiding it for several years and be forgiven without the congregation ever knowing and he can retain his elder position. That is found on page 38 if you would like to check it out for yourself. The most recent elder book is called the Shepherd book and elders usually refer to it as "KS10" since it came out in 2010. You are sincere Mr Big...you just don't have all the pieces of the puzzle that is obvious. The WT Society also had a governing body member that was twice accused of molestation, and he was quietly dismissed in 1984. Shame on WT for covering these things up, it is disgusting.

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Like many sincere JWs, he is ignorant of what his OWN organization teaches and practices.

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Trying to find Revelation book with pictures on PDF

by RayPublisher in

it's all over the net without the pictures...but trying to find a scan of the revelation book with pictures is hard- anyone have it??.

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RayPublisher

@ NS - That would be hilarious to have one of them made up that way...is there a service that does that???

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A sad day for a JW- they lost a study 'cause of me.

by Gojira_101 in

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a few weeks ago i posted a topic about a deaf woman studying with the jw's.

the deaf preacher from the woman's parents church contacted me to know more about the jw's because the parents were allowing their daughter to study with the jw's because "they are such nice people.

" anyway the deaf preacher contacted me because he knows i just left the jw's last year and he wanted information.. i was more than happy to provide it.

RayPublisher

Go Go Shyla!

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Another story... possibly final story

by confusedandalone in

this is the exchange of text messages i had with my super spiritual brother.

it is sad... it is pathetic... it has helped me realize that i have no connection to these people anymore.

i feel free today.

RayPublisher

@ confusedandalone - You pwned your brother big time in that text exchange, well done. Being loving to your folks is key. Showing them that despite your status in the WT Org you love them and will help them shows that you are NOT mentally diseased and all that baloney.

But you are not responsible for their poor financial planning. And their own WT has come out with articles in recent times on bankruptcy that says a Christian can file for this and should not be judged.

pwned

*** w1994 9/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
"..It is not for the Christian congregation to offer legal advice on this...the Bible does not rule out the possibility that in an extreme situation, a Christian may avail himself of the protection offered by Caesar’s bankruptcy laws. However, Christians should be exceptional as to honesty and reliability."