Lollylou

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  The Watchtowers Motive: Greed

  by metatron in

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  hitler wasn't motivated by a desire for riches.

  he was driven by greed all the same: a greediness.

  for power, the desire for absolute control of fellow humans.

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  Lollylou

  I think greed is part of it, fear another (fear of losing control), pride (they don't want to admit they are wrong), selfishness (they only think of how things effect them). ("They" being the GB/organization)

  Looking from the outside of the borg now, it is so easy to see the very huge shortcomings of it. It is hard to see why everyone can't. I guess that is because the one thing they are very good at is brainwashing tactics. They cover all the bases when they indoctrinate people into the organization.
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  To Bethel Lurkers: Declare Victory!

  by metatron in

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  to all bethel monitors of this site:.

  please declare victory on your statistics and move on!.

  this year, there will be a huge (2-3%) increase in publishers reported in the.

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  Lollylou

  HomebutHiding-

  I think we lived parrallel lives. Thanks for the comment!! How are things now? I love having Saturday mornings without being guilt ridden because I am not in service. Lollylou
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  YES!!!!!! Shunning has backfired!!

  by Dawn in

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  i was df'd a number of years ago.

  my parents never shunned me - they didn't feel that df'ing broke the family ties.

  but when my brothers or uncle were in town i was "allowed" to come visit at certain times when their other jw friends would not be around.

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  Lollylou

  I am so happy for you as a Mom to have had your son not only stand by you, but to stand up for you!! What a great thing.

  I am previledged to have a son also who stood up for me and also by me when I was disfellowshipped. Michael was always a very loving and affectionate son. He would always save me a seat at the meetings when I was df'd. He would hug me when he saw me come in and even put his arm around me as we sang and hold my hand when we prayed at the meeting. Michael lived on his own at this time and was 22 and a devoted JW. After one such meeting, an elder approached Michael and told him if he didn't stop being so "affectionate" to his mother that the elders would view him as condoning my wrong doing (I remarried after my divorce without giving the elders any proof of adultery) and he could be DF'd too. Michael told him no one could tell him not to love and respect his mother, and that the Bible encouraged us to love and honor our parents, no ifs ands or buts about it. Michael never went back to the KH. He wrote a letter to the elders explaining how unchristian their behavior was. He proceeded to devour "outside" knowledge and investigate the Bible independently. He just graduated from the Speed School of Engineering at the University of Louisville.

  GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT!!!!! Congratulation on doing such a great job on your son and to your son for being a strong independent thinker!!
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  WT Fortifies Its Firewall

  by belbab in

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  a friend asked me to accompany him to the district assembly held this past weekend in our area.

  in the talk at 11:40 am sunday, entitled be like jeremiah--fearlessly proclaim the word of god, as others have posted on this board, a reference was made about the dateline program, but no specifics were given.. from the meagre notes and memory, i will try and paraphrase the argument the speaker read from his pre-packaged discourse.

  he quoted the text from 1john 5:19, ....the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

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  Lollylou

  They always hit in a suddle way! That's why it's brainwashing! That's why it is a cult! They use physcology to fend off any who want to think independently from the org and make their own thought processing work!

  I agree they are missing the BIG picture!! Protect the CHILDREN!! But no, all they want to protect is the organization and keep the drones in line!

  What a MESS!!
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  To Bethel Lurkers: Declare Victory!

  by metatron in

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  to all bethel monitors of this site:.

  please declare victory on your statistics and move on!.

  this year, there will be a huge (2-3%) increase in publishers reported in the.

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  Lollylou

  TIME, TIME, TIME! That is what really counts to JW's. Not PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE!

  I was a pioneer. And I have to say a very conscience one. But at the same time when I really needed help and encouragement, even asking for help for my family, none came. I begged for ten years as I watched my marriage go down the tubes. NOBODY came!! NOBODY cared!! But they sure would go out and get their ten hours in service. No, they don't help. But if you slip up, make a mistake, and really need guidance-they are there in a hurry "to keep the org clean" and hear all the dirty details. The sad part is if we had the right mind, instead of blindly following a "mother organization", we probably could have handled things on our own and been fine.

  Disgusted with the whole idea of counting time instead of making time count!! Lollylou
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  To Bethel Lurkers: Declare Victory!

  by metatron in

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  to all bethel monitors of this site:.

  please declare victory on your statistics and move on!.

  this year, there will be a huge (2-3%) increase in publishers reported in the.

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  Lollylou

  Just curious, what is the new 15 minute rule? I have been our for two years and haven't heard of that.

  Lollylou
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  **PLEASE WELCOME-MY SISTER TO THE BOARD**

  by zev in

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  she tells me she registered as "shunned".

  please give her the big warm apostate .

  j w d style!!!.

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  Welcome! You will find comfort and friends here. Better friends than could ever be found in the so-called "Brotherhood of Witnesses". Hope to hear more about you soon. Lollylou
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  Name some practices of the WTS that are'nt bibical

  by Leander in

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  my personal hell has started since i told my wife i was stepping down and why i was doing so.

  she has barely said 2 sentences to me in the last 24 hours, but i can understand her being upset so i'm trying my best to remain patient.. yesterday afternoon i told my cousin who is also one of my closest friends about my decision.

  we ended up talking about it for more than 4 hours.

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  Lollylou

  This is an amazing thread. I haven't plugged in for awhile and have missed the encouragement that comes from everyone here. I have read Franz's book "In Search Of Christian Freedom" I highly recommend it for the task you have at hand. I would suggest that you not let your wife see that you have it while she is in the current state of mind as you would get DFed for having it.
  I wish you the best and hope your wife will join you in your newly found freedom! Lollylou
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  MORE News Articles: JWs and Xmas

  by MadApostate in

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  this reporter curiously had access to a number of jws.

  jw himself???.

  jehovah's witnesses reject many holidays and the notion that they are a dour group.

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  Lollylou

  I would love to write a reply to those witnesses who contributed to that article.
  No, the precious little children hate the pagan celebrations. They like being different. BULL____!!! Ask my grown kids who are no longer JW's how they really felt growing up.
  Oh and what about renaming the holiday celebrations? Change a Halloween Party to a "Fall Party", etc. I say a duck by any other name is still a duck!!!
  I remember a witness family who of course didn't celebrate birthdays, but they let each one of their children pick out a special day to be "Their Day". They got presents, a cake and picked out the special menu. DUH! sounds like a birthday celebration to me.
  Witnesses delude themselves into believing that their life is the greatest. I liked the janitor quote. He of course didn't go to college because the witnesses frowned on a higher education, and even if he did you can't get ahead to far or you are materialistic!
  The article made me fume.
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  sad elder's wives and kids

  by wheelwithinwheel in

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  after sharing their husbands and fathers with the congregation pretty well every night and weekend during the year ... finally the pagan holidays promise a bit of family time for elders wives and children ... so what does the wts do?

  organize an elders course, naturally!

  wouldnt want these guys to have some family time, would we now?.

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  Lollylou

  I was an elder's wife for over 20 years, and believe me it contributed greatly to the breakup of my marriage. After every meeting there were elder's meetings on top of the regular meeting. Our kids (3) were completely done in by the end of it. And naturally Mom had to handle it all because you weren't being "theocratic" if you went home without your husband, or if you got him to help during meetings, because then he couldn't pay attention. And our poor children - goading them into answering, making them sit up straight, don't talk, don't squirm, pay attention, follow in the publication, and oh my gosh if they drew something instead of listening-Wham!
  YECH! What I wouldn't give to be able to live those years over!
  The WTS only thinks of putting the org first and families second.