Zound, yes. That's what hubby said too. "It's a conscience matter, as long as you pick the right answer. If you pick the wrong answer, you violated the conscience matter."
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Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!
by goatshapeddemon inso, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!
first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.
he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.
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Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!
by goatshapeddemon inso, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!
first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.
he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.
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goatshapeddemon
I thought something similar, ADCMS. He said there are some former child abusers who haven't done it in 20, 30 years. And I thought hey, now that there's a generation. ;-) maybe if you don't abuse a child for 20-30 years, it will be ok to reappoint.
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goatshapeddemon
Now all it needs is a WTF????
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Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!
by goatshapeddemon inso, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!
first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.
he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.
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He really did. My FiL I think taped it - there were a few things hubby and I wanted to rehear and we had a hard time pulling it up, but I'll see if I can get you a recording.
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Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!
by goatshapeddemon inso, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!
first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.
he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.
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goatshapeddemon
So, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced Gerrit Loesch as the speaker! First off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.
Anyway, It was the talk on Inspired Truth, vs. Inspired Falsehoods. He went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons. I'll share three of the gems with you.
Number 4 falsehood was "higher education has nothing wrong with it because it is a conscience matter". He gave three reasons it is demon-inspired:
1) Studies show that most kids go to college to receive higher paying jobs. No shit, really?
2) college education makes you look down on people, knowledge puffs up. Except for the people who learned the truth after college, they're ok because they learn true humility in the org. Seriously, he said that.
3) college education tends to encourage people to rely on and try to "save" this system, making the end seem further away than it is. Really? They've been teaching this hogwash for 120 years. I'm sorry, it's time for a stream-of-time reality check.
Number 5 was that it was a demon inspired expression to say once-a-child-abuser, always-a-child-abuser. Child abusers can change so we can't condemn them. Interesting tact, given the Candance Conti trial right now. I guess they're preparing a counter-attack talking about their position of mercy, while in the same breath he said that a habit of viewing "gross" pornograhy would require one to be disfellowshipped from the congregation. Really!? Double standard, anyone?
The last demon-inspired expression was the belief that Internet dating was ok. Clearly, a work of the devil. Heaven forbid all those single people at these desert-quality conventions with no one to date actually turn somewhere else to find a mate.
Anyway, phe ended up going overtime to boot, which LOL was probably the single biggest demon inspired expression of the day.
The program today was otherwise total drivel. There was a stupid drama that showed a dude conversing with Job in paradise (major play on the heart-strings) and another dumb skit about how immigrant workers need to go back to their home countries or not go at all.
complete regurgitated crap.
~GSD
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Why do JWs stay despite doubts & discoveries about JW Beliefs?
by ProfCNJ inif we are going to create a pie chart with the following categories, what could be the main components-reasons and their respective percentages for just staying in the organization in spite of the doubts, discoveries about the jw doctrines/beliefs?
i doubt if the topmost reason is because of love of jehovah god and his son jesus christ.
your inputs dear friends and fellow brothers will be most appreciated.. a. below 40 years old.
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goatshapeddemon
Because of one misapplied, frustrating and oft-quoted scripture: whom shall we go away to, lord?
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payback? bitterly upset....
by losingit ini don't even know where to start.. more than anything, i'd like to say that i am not a woman of vengeance.
i am very much a forgiving person.
if you say "i'm sorry," and you're genuine, i can move on from it quickly and easily.
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LosingIt, you're finding freedom. Welcome. I'm sorry for your troubles and hope this site helps you find rest.
Your anger is natural and makes sense. Be careful though - as someone stated above, JWs love a custody battle and have attorneys at bethel who specialize in family court. That's all they do and they're often successful. Anything that comes across as too vindictive or "revenge" may backfire in court as they question your fitness as a parent. The more model a calm, collected parent you can be *without* trying to rejoin the religion, the more credibility you get. Trying to get reinstated only shows the secular courts that you still respect the JW judicial system - something you don't want.
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Just wondering...
by molybdenum infor those of you who are "out" forcibly ( disfellowshipped) or voluntarily ( dissasociated) is there anything.
that you actually miss about the witnesses or meetings?.
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Sounds crazy, but every now and then I miss the social aspect of service. My last congregation (before we switched congregations to ease the fade) was a truly good one, one of the few.
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My JW Experiences and Living in No Mans Land
by wizzstick inlots of proper pioneering (90 hours), lots of calls, lots of studies, lots of interest.
enough to make it all interesting.
driving this buzz was the sense that armageddon was imminent.. my father was never a jw, and was very opposed.
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Welcome!
it will be interesting to see how you feel 6-8 months from now. My husband and I started questioning just a few things. Then we felt they had only the fundamental "big" things right. Then we thought, well at least they preach... Eventually, we threw it all out. But it took time. Our hearts - that wanted to believe - needed time to catch up with our heads, which knew it was all crap.
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Double standing on higher education
by KSFernando injw discourage higher education through conventions magazine etc.
in kindom ministry 2011 july they considered higher education as date, and use alcohol or drugs.
however if you look at the front page of the brochure "jehovah's witnesseswho are they?
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goatshapeddemon
Yes, the double standard is real and sickening. And different parts of the country are more strict about it than others.
As mentoned above, Bethel also chooses to send some through additional training, or makes calls at certain times for certain skill sets that could only have been acquired through some form of higher learning. They're exploitative SOBs. Yet at the same time, they kick people out on their asses for going to college because it shows independent thinking. Like an abusive spouse - on any given day you don't know what's going to set them off.