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  CRYING

  by happy man in

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  this was terribel, out from the wordcup, and on overtime we have one ball inn the post.. i was dieing, in the netw minut senegal hvae one post inn, small margins, and now we hope that sven is going to final.

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  Looking forward to see Scandinavia back at the next World Cup.

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  JWs without Christ?

  by cyrano in

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  the all knowing watchtower geezers claim christ is not the mediator for mostly all jws: .

  jesus christ, is not the mediator between jehovah god and all mankind.. he is the mediator between his heavenly father, jehovah god, and the nation of spiritual israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.

  (worldwide security 1986, p10 par 1 the desire for peace and security worldwide).

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  He's the mediator between Jehovah and the Onehundredandfortyfourthousand spiritanointed kingpriests, the so called New Covenant.

  Didn't you know, Fred?

  Astonished

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  Love for WBTS would not withstand "divinat...

  by IslandWoman in

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  (the title of this thread is: love for wbts would not withstand "divination"!

  for some reason it did not show up the way i typed it in) .

  most publishers would stick with the society through almost anything: .

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  You're right, IW, one can put up with imperfections, but not with outright apostasy.

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  Candles and JWs

  by badboy in

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  i wonder how many jws r aware that candles have pagan origins as admitted by bishop newman(sp?

  ) in the 19th century?

  should a faithfull jw have anything to do with candles therefore?

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  is all of this discussion only because a candlemaker regularly posts on this board?

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  No more unity?

  by LoyalLeon in

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  does anybody here have a clue why the society did not simply publish a revised edition of united in worship of the only true god, but changed the title to worship the only true god?

  is unity no more considered as important?

  if a change of title seemed necessary, why not call it "united in worship"?.

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  Does anybody here have a clue why the Society did not simply publish a revised edition of United in Worship of the Only True God, but changed the title to Worship the Only True God?

  Is unity no more considered as important? If a change of title seemed necessary, why not call it "United in Worship"?

  Or is this really a change in attitude, which became evident in WTs-literature over the last decade that personal responsibility is more and more stressed, being guided by principles instead of hard and fast rules?

  Has any body already had any looks into the changes made in the new book?

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  Five Questions To Ask The JW At Your Door

  by silentlambs in

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  below was a letter to editor that was printed in the paducah paper.

  i thought it might be relevant now as jw's are defending their position on child abuse as being ok. it all boils down to the five questions.

  if the typical jw can answer the five questions truthfully then they are forced to admit there is a problem.

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  path, I agree with your reasoning.

  This is a highly emotional subject. But thie does not mean to loose our power of reason.

  1. If a pedophile were to move into your congregation, would you be informed?

  Would you be informed in any other religious denomination, if a pedophile moved into your vicinity?

  2. If a pedophile molested your child, would you be allowed to warn other parents in your congregation?

  Adding to path's comment, most of molestation cases occur within the own family, 2nd thought.

  3. If a pedophile denied he molested your child, and you could not produce two witnesses to the act of molestation, would the church discipline him/her in any way?

  Besides the fact that he would be disciplined (at least two elders would convene with him, and he would be under 'observation' by the elders, in my country (which is not the FI) there have been lately many allegations of child molestation which later where found out to be faked. So before disciplining, it is surely good to have substantial evidence, not only an accusation. BTW, two victims are two witnesses according to current policy.

  4. If the state where you reside does not require reporting a pedophile who has molested a minor, will church officials report it?

  Who needs the elders to do reporting, you could do yourself?

  5. If, as an adult, you charge an elder with molesting you when you were a child and he denies it, would he discontinue serving as an elder?

  See my comment to question N 3.

  Just giving it a thought.

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  Watchtower's Moment of Reflection?

  by metatron in

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  i wonder if a relative silence has struck the watchtower.

  and its leadership in the aftermath of dateline.

  if soul-searching has, at least temporarily, replaced.

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  Consider the outcome of their conduct - Hebrews 13:7

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  Help! Is it possible to earn a living under 40 hrs

  by Leander in

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  on a few posts here and there i've noticed some of the people on the board have been able to create their own careers without working the dreaded fulltime hours.

  i've been wanting to do this for years but i don't have a clue as to how to get started.

  i've really wanted to get into the field of real estate development.

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  after all ... you're not going to pioneer, are you?

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  True Justice Explained by WTS

  by blondie in

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  does this apply to judicial committees too?.

  *** w98 6/15 26-9 true justice-when and how?

  the innocent should have nothing to fear from true justice.

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  The article doesn't exclude judicial committees from it's application. Evidently thea are as imperfect as other human judges. Interestingly, the article appeared a short time after the canged attitude toward civil services for conscientious objectors. How many of them suffered for sth. they did only out of obedience to the org?

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  World Cup : USA shocks Portugal

  by Gopher in

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  first senegal stuns france with an opening-game victory.. now the usa beats portugal 3-2 in a first-round game.

  and, one of portugal's goals was the result of an american "own goal".

  i saw a couple of beee-autiful crossing passes that resulted in american goals.. this brand of football, with its unexpected surprises, may actually become fun to watch!!.

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  fd, so far it looks otherwise

  anyway we're living in the 21st century, so it's time for some changes

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