Posts by EntirelyPossible

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What evidence is there for the miracles of the Bible OUTSIDE of the Bible?

by punkofnice in

ok. this is something i've wondered about.. people of certain religions tend to use their own holy book as evidence for things in itself.

this seems very circular to me.

using the book to prove the book in my view is pointless.. i am not aware of any of the 'miracles' of the bible or the quran as having any substantial evidence outside of themselves to give credibility to the books themselves.. has anyone come across such evidence?.

EntirelyPossible

Ah... but I don't say that, EP.

Yes, you do. Denying reality is a particular trick voice hearers have down pat to use whatever they can to support their woo. You use the Bible when it suits you, you deny it when it suits you. when you like what the Bible says, that's the word of Christ. When it says something else, LYING SCRIBES!!!!! You use science when it suits you, you deny it when it suits you.

You say it doesn't matter what we think, then write a bunch talking about how I think wrongly and how what you think matters so much. Seriosuly, it's incredibly amusing to watch you contradict yourself over and over without an ouce of self awareness or irony.

At the end of the day, you believe something. You are desperately trying to defend that belief. You have (and will, I am sure) re-define words, make claims that cannot be proven, claims things are that are not (like trying to say an anecdote of hearing voices is substantial evidence of a miracle. LOL @ that one), give reasons why Jesus didn't do what he plainly said he would, etc.

Punk asked a question asking for evidence. You responded trying to claim that something IS evidence when that very thing is NEVER accepted as evidence for good reason. You have NO evidence to provide.

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What evidence is there for the miracles of the Bible OUTSIDE of the Bible?

by punkofnice in

ok. this is something i've wondered about.. people of certain religions tend to use their own holy book as evidence for things in itself.

this seems very circular to me.

using the book to prove the book in my view is pointless.. i am not aware of any of the 'miracles' of the bible or the quran as having any substantial evidence outside of themselves to give credibility to the books themselves.. has anyone come across such evidence?.

EntirelyPossible

Not that it matters what we think on that matter.

It totally does. It amazes me how you use one idea ("I think I hear Jesus so it totes matters!") and then dismiss that when it doesn't hold true with what you choose to believe ("Despite reality, it totes DOESN'T matter what we think!")

It's amazing to watch the chopped logic pretzel your brain has to go through to justify the ridiculous things you say.

In any event, without the Bible, you would know nothing of Jesus. He has never spontaneoustly appeared to people living in isolation, never written a flaming persistent message in the sky, never kept his word and returned. You rely on the Bible when it suits you and treat it toilet paper when it doesn't.

Btw... anecdotal evidence... is still evidence.

Irrelevant. You specifically decided to stick to what Punk asked for (and got it wrong, BTW). He asked for substantial evidence outside of thje holy books showing their miracle to be true. He did not ask why you beleive your particular version of woo.

To answer his question, there is none and you have not provided any.

There is a reason anecdotes are never counted as evidence in court, in science, in accounting, basically anywhere it counts.

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What evidence is there for the miracles of the Bible OUTSIDE of the Bible?

by punkofnice in

ok. this is something i've wondered about.. people of certain religions tend to use their own holy book as evidence for things in itself.

this seems very circular to me.

using the book to prove the book in my view is pointless.. i am not aware of any of the 'miracles' of the bible or the quran as having any substantial evidence outside of themselves to give credibility to the books themselves.. has anyone come across such evidence?.

EntirelyPossible

It is evidence for anyone who goes to Him and hears Him. Punk only asked if there was evidence outside the bible, right?

ev·i·dence

/'ev?d?ns/

Noun

The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Verb

Be or show evidence of.

Personal sounds inside someone's head can't demonstrate anything (the Tshirt test failure proved that) and it van never be or show evidence since it is not demonstrable. It is simply something a person gives credence to. Otherwise, Allah, Ms. Cleo and schizophrenic voices are also evidence (which they clearly are not).

What you are describing is an andecdote.

You have absolutely no way of knowing something like this.

Yes. I do. The only place he is mentioned is the Bible. someone living in the past 1800 years has no way of knowing anything about Jesus except through what was written down.

Have people raised in isolation suddenly heard of him? If not, why not?

There was no bible for a long time. People who had not met Christ in the flesh, still heard of Him... and were pointed to Him by others who did know Him. The gospels are just a written account of what those witnesses told others.

I said YOU would never have heard of him, but since you want to talk about contemporaries, we can do that.

During the time Christ lived and after his death, of course people heard about him orally. They were mostly illiterate and stories were circulating orally. In later times, it's all what's written down. There is no one that heard the story from someone that heard the story from someone that was there.

It's ALL and ONLY what's written down until people start hearing voices and claiming it's Jesus.

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What evidence is there for the miracles of the Bible OUTSIDE of the Bible?

by punkofnice in

ok. this is something i've wondered about.. people of certain religions tend to use their own holy book as evidence for things in itself.

this seems very circular to me.

using the book to prove the book in my view is pointless.. i am not aware of any of the 'miracles' of the bible or the quran as having any substantial evidence outside of themselves to give credibility to the books themselves.. has anyone come across such evidence?.

EntirelyPossible

I would say the living and speaking Christ, is evidence of His resurrection.

You would be incorrect as is it not independently verfiable.

That is outside of the bible.

Also incorrect. You would never have heard of Jesus if it weren't for the Bible. No Bible, no Jesus.

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

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friends

if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

EntirelyPossible

Yes, this is the take away for the fossil record. Life on earth arrives in abrupt burst, various plants, animals, etc., and then humans.

Oh? Is that the lesson? What credible paper have you published showing this? What are your credentials? Why does what you say completely disagree with known and observable science? In what sense is 70 million+ years "abrupt"?

Over and over again it reminds us Evolution gradualism and transmutation as well as mud puddle magic (abiogenesis) is NOT in the fossil record.

Evolution is all over the fossil record. God/ID/magic/woo is what is missing.

Look at this! A dinosaur with feathers, and they even know what color the feathers were. A fossil with both bird and dinosaur characteristics. Evolution. Not ID, not god, not magic. Reality, whether you like it or not.

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

jw
friends

if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

EntirelyPossible

FHN, your childish insults only make you look more ingorant than you already show yourself to be. When you can converse like an adult and actually say somethig useful, please do say something useful. Until then. you can live in your fantasy world of woo saying nothing and convincing only yourself that you have actually said anything at all. Seriously, if you can't even clarify the words you write, you can't expect anyone to give a shit or second thought to you're attempts to defend your vapid and meaningless comments and pathetic insults.

My dog is more clear and consistent in what she says and means and can actually convey that.

So, to rebutt what you are likely to say next by way of insults and yet again trying to escape clarifying what you mean (if you even know to articulate), "blah blah blah". So far that's all you have said.

What do you mean by nothing? You are doing a hell of a lot to avoid saying what you mean. I suspect it's because you are cornered and can't actually clarify what you meant by that.

Can you clarify it?

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

jw
friends

if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

EntirelyPossible

EP, again you appear on a thread trying to create arguments where there is none.

Silly rabbit. Reality denies are creating an argument. Do try to keep up with the thread.

There are opinions and there are claims. Please learn the difference.

Sorry, were you providing evidence or defining what you said or just trying to skate of out actually saying something substantive? I only ask because it seems like the latter, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you are terrible at the former.

As for a void of nothingness,try to wrap your mind around the concept

Define what you mean and I will. So far you have said anything that can be quantified. Here's your chance!

And reread my opinion which was a comment in response to Billy's mistaken idea that God came from nothing.

Sorry, I don't really have time to deconstruct your ill-formed thoughts again. Just define what you mean by "nothing" and we can move on.

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

jw
friends

if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

EntirelyPossible

Hmmm....The God Delusion reached #4 on the NYT Best Seller list and stayed on it for 51 weeks. Science beating ignorance yet again!

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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!

by Crazyguy in

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friends

ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.

the theory of major evolution is crap!

the theory is falling apart.

EntirelyPossible

LisaRose you say i'm making arguments that were disproven 40 years ago except they were not

Exactly. They were disproven at least 45 years ago.

just explained away the same way the GB explained away 'This Generation'

Pick one specific thing that you think has not been properly explained and let's talk about it. Keep it simple, pick just ONE.

Crap spelled backward is PARC

You can also spell carp, a fish that evolved. Ta-da!

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

jw
friends

if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

EntirelyPossible

Entirely P, I won't be baited into one of your nonsensical, circular argument frenzies.

Huh? You made a claim. I simply asked a clarifying question about a term you used. If you can't explain what you mean by your own claim, it must not be much of one that cannot stand the scrutiny of a single question.

You know what nothing means. If you need a reminder, I suggest you use your on line dictionaries. Google has several.

Indeed. Your ability to defend your own statement was a stunning example of it.