You know how some people tell lies over and over so many times that they believe the lie to be the truth. As for the rest of them they were told the lie and believed it to be true therefore it is true to them. Unfortunately the rest of us fell for it. Either because of ignorance on our part and that was all we were ever told or we were just to lazy to really research the information when it was given to us in the first place. It sounded like a good line at first to me.
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question for all who read CoC
by Realist ini have a question that i really would like to get answered.... did ray franz mention anything about whether the gb members actually believe they are inspired by god or whether they are fully aware that what they spew out is nothing but pure bs!?.
would be great if someone could enlighten me on this!
realist
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Resurrected Prophets Need Proper I.D.
by Deli King ini came across this on the web.
it's a copy of the official deed for bet-sarim as printed in the 1930 awake.
i found it very amusing the the prophets mentioned in heb.
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lv4fer
That is just hillarious! They must have been drunk and they had very poor reading comprehension because Hebrew chapter 11 say that those faithful ones of old were looking forward to their heavenly reward. It never said anything about showing up in SanDiego! What form of Identification were they to present a drivers license maybe?
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THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Weekly # 1 - Only 144,000 Go To Heaven?
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe truth will set you free weekly # 1 -- only 144,000 go to heaven?
disclaimer: i am not an expert on the bible.
1st peter 1:3: blessed be the god and father of our lord jesus christ, who according to his great mercy became our father again to a living hope through the resurrection of jesus christ from the dead,.
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lv4fer
I really enjoyed your post. I agree with most of what you said. I too would like to hear what you have to say about Jesus being the first to go to heaven. I have my own thoughts on this.... and I'm not totally sure. I think maybe that when you are resurrected you go to a place in heaven but that is not the final l place. I think you go to a place that is like a holding place if you will, then at the time of judgement those who are Christians will go to the ultimate heaven. The scripture in Matt where it talks about Lazarus and the rich man elude to this I think. THis is only my opinion and I'm not totally sold on this thought yet I'm still studying.
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When You Were A Witness, Did You Ever Want To Go To Heaven?
by minimus insince it's very close to the memorial celebration, i thought that this question might be appropriate.
did you ever feel that you might just want to go to heaven???
or was your future only an earthly one?
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lv4fer
I was always envious going to heaven, I wanted to go to. LIving on earth forever didn't hold to much of an appeal for me. I just didn't know what I was going to do. I mean as a woman, it sounded like a bunch of work. They make it seem like you were going to be fetching water and washing dishes by hand and doing laundry by hand and gardening. I don't really like any of that stuff so I just couldn't understand why when we have all the modern conveniences now we were going to go back to doing everything by hand. It just doesn't make any sense. How are you going to travel. Horse and buggy...great it will take months to go and visit someone. I know I know you have all the time in the world. Who is going to make everything if there are no factories. Who is going to make the material for the clothes. Are you going to grow the cotton and then weave it into maerial and then sew the clothes....again it sounds like a whole lot of work to me. No thanks I want to go somewhere else. If that's all there is than shoot me know and I don't want to be resurrected just let me sleep! Heaven sounds better to me, it's got to be better than that. I use to think maybe there is something wrong with me for not really wanting that.
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Ground Zero
by Amazing ini recently traveled to new york city, but was not there to focus attention on the watchtower.
rather, ground zero was on my agenda, and i was not disappointed, though i discovered a few surprises.
i have been in the twin towers (wtc) several times, and have pictures of the view, including the watchtower buildings across the east river.
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lv4fer
My family and I were in NY two weeks after 9/11 and we got as close as they would let you then, about 5 blocks away, and took pictures. What an eye opener. The smoke still rising we all just stook there in silence for the longest time. It was so sad and se
kjeing it on TV was nothing like seeing it in person.
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What Was The Final Straw That Made You Leave The Organisation?
by SpannerintheWorks inas a faithful and zealous witness, nothing can question your faith.
but one day, something does!
you begin to have doubts.
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lv4fer
I stumbled upon the web site 587vs607BCE in July of 2001, I did some research of my own and determined that 607BCE was not the correct date which meant 1914 was wrong. This gave me the courage to read some other web sites and then I orderded the book C of C and after I was 1/2 throught that, It was all over. I knew it was all a lie and I was devastated that I could have allowed myself to be so decieved. The last meeting I attended was last years memorial and that was only to save face for my kids had not left yet. Currently my husband, children and I are all being shunned and we were never officially df'd or never da'd.
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What is the worst thing about leaving?
by sleepy in.
everyone probably has a slightly different experience when leaving the witnesses.the worst aspect about this for me is the realisation that my enteire life has been lived and directed by a false premiss, and the effect past decisions now have on my life.. it can make me feel sick in the stomach on occation.. also the idea that friends and family think i have tuned bad or evil to have left jehovah is qute disturbing at times.
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lv4fer
That I wasted so much time and energy in a lie. That I allowed myself to be mislead. The impact it has on my kids lives and the loss of friends (so-called friends) it does hurt.
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What Would You Say If Someone Expressed Interest In Being A JW???
by minimus inif someone told you that they thought the witnesses seemed like good people and that they were thinking of having a bible study with them, would you try to persuade them not to?
would you just keep quiet, hoping they would see things for themselves?.......if you are still a witness (technically), would you subtlely or overtly tell them to run??
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lv4fer
I would find out what they know about them, what attracts them to it and set them straight. Tell them the real truth about it and finally I would pray for them!
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I am fighting back
by thetruthaboutjws inhi this is my first post here.
so i should probably introduce myself.
i live in a small community i was reaised for 17 years as a witness.
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lv4fer
here is what the pamplet says. on the inside some info is my comments some comments are from the forum.
Lets look at the blood issue. It is one of the most touchy subjects for Jehovah’s Witnesses.First lets start with where do they stand on the blood issue. Lets look at a quote from their own Watchtower:
w90 6/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers: ***A pregnant woman has an active mechanism by which some immune globulin moves from the mother's blood to the fetus'. Because this natural movement of antibodies into the fetus occurs in all pregnancies, babies are born with a degree of normal protective immunity to certain infections.
It is similar with albumin, which doctors may prescribe as a treatment for shock or certain other conditions. Researchers have proved that albumin from the plasma is also transported, though less efficiently, across the placenta from a mother into her fetus.
That some protein fractions from the plasma do move naturally into the blood system of another individual (the fetus) may be another consideration when a Christian is deciding whether he will accept immune globulin, albumin, or similar injections of plasma fractions. One person may feel that he in good conscience can; another may conclude that he cannot. Each must resolve the matter personally before God.
Now this says if your conscience allows you can accept blood fractions. The Watchtower's reasoning goes like this: Since medical researchers have proven that certain blood fractions naturally cross over from the mother to her fetus, it is ok to accept these fractions. Again, as long as these fractions naturally move from one individual to another, it is between God and yourself as to whether or not you will accept these fractions.
Now on the other hand, we have another situation where a natural movement occurs between individuals. I cannot quote from one of the Society's publications on this matter because no references exist. The Society either chooses to ignore this medical fact or simply cannot acknowledge it due to legal implications. This other natural movement is twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome.
What is twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome (TTTS)? Here is a brief explanation from the TTTS Foundation: Twin to Twin Transfusion Syndrome (TTTS) is a disease of the placenta. It affects identical twins during pregnancy when blood passes disproportionately from one baby to the other through connecting blood vessels within their shared placenta. One baby, the recipient twin, gets too much blood overloading his or her cardiovascular system, and may die from heart failure. The other baby, the donor twin, does not get enough blood and may die from severe anemia. The babies are normal. The abnormalities are in the placenta.
TTTS is a medical fact. Medical researchers know that it exists. Do the affected babies merely share proteins from the plasma? No. They share the same WHOLE BLOOD between each other. How does this compare to the Society's explanation of a natural movement of blood fractions from one individual to another, mother and fetus? Using their own logic, the principle is the same. The same whole blood is shared between two different individuals. Many witnesses have further backed up the Society's claim saying that Jehovah cannot break his own laws when it comes to blood. "Since Jehovah allows blood fractions to pass naturally from mother to child, it is ok to accept these same blood fractions when needed," they say. When witnesses are confronted with medical evidence relating to TTTS, they dare not sing the same tune. Why is that? If they find out and then accept that whole blood can be naturally passed from one individual to another, this one-fact tears down their entire belief system in regards to the blood doctrine. No other belief in their spiritual arsenal is as deadly as the blood doctrine and they know it.
One more point I would like to bring up is the donating of blood. Here is the current stance and reasoning on blood donation:
*** w00 10/15 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
However, such collecting, storing, and transfusing of blood directly contradicts what is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Blood is not to be stored; it is to be poured out_returned to God, as it were. Granted, the Mosaic Law is not in force now. Nevertheless, Jehovah's Witnesses respect the principles God included in it, and they are determined to `abstain from blood.' Hence, we do not donate blood, nor do we store for transfusion our blood that should be `poured out.' That practice conflicts with God's law.
The Society's explanation is fairly simple. Under the Mosaic Law, all blood was to be poured out upon the ground. Even though the Mosaic Law is not in force today, witnesses still abide by the principle of that law. Remember that word - principle. With this understanding, it is clear why witnesses do not donate blood. They feel that although not under the old law covenant, they still adhere to the principle of having their blood return to the earth if removed from their body. That is the entire basis for refusing to donate their own blood.
Now, let us take this same principle a step or two further. First, a witness needs to be asked whether or not this same principle should be applied to everyone on the earth. Their answer will be a most definite YES. It may even be followed up with a comment such as, "Besides, just look at all of the problems we have today with tainted blood supplies and diseases spread by transfusions." If the witness answered in the affirmative to whether or not all blood should be poured out upon the ground, ask them, "How is it possible then, under that same principle, to accept blood that has been donated and stored which was not 'poured out' upon the ground," so to speak? Here, the Society places a double standard on their principle. On one hand, the Society says it is ok to accept blood fractions which have been donated from whole blood, the same blood that in principle should have been 'poured out,' but on the other hand, they say that you must not donate any blood at all because it must be 'poured out' if it leaves your body. This principle seems to be lacking in coherence. What is the bottom line? It is ok to accept blood products that are taken from donated and stored blood given by worldly people. It is not ok to donate your own blood for the same purpose.
These two topics cannot be addressed by ANY witness. Their response can only be one of two things:
Write the Society for the answers, or,
Wait on Jehovah for clarification.
In the meantime, hope to God that you do not end up in the hospital staring death in the face debating whether to stay faithful to the organization on the blood doctrine or finally accepting the needed blood products to sustain your life.
Thank you for reading I will be putting more topics up. if you like this copy please feel free but please e-mail me if you do so I know to put a new one up.
Sincerely
(Thought I would put my name didn’t you)
and on the back it states that i am not an opostate)
I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness. I am not a Jehovah's witness anymore. I was never disfellowshipped nor disassociated. I merely left. Also I am NOT
an apostate. To prove this definition of an apostate is.a·pos·tate
n.One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
Now to Prove I am not an Apostate my religious faith when I was a JW was that god exists Jesus died for us/our sins, and one day god will do away with Satan and rid the world of what is bad and everyone will be happy. And anyone who follows what the bible tells us will share in this happiness.
Now:
My religious faith has not changed.
My principles are still the same.
My cause as a Witness was to tell others about god’s word, encourage others to read the bible and to promote what I believed in.
Now:
My cause has not changed.
And I was never part of a political party.
So in no way do I fit the definition of an apostate.
This information is research of my own and other peoples theses are a combination of facts, quotes and what I feel is right/logical. Believe what you want I am just here to inform.
the format of the pamplet is musch better (I will be working on making it in html format so it can be used on the web)
oh and by the way i am lv4fer's son incase any of you know her.
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Can they announce that you are df'd or da'd without telling you?
by lv4fer ini know this sounds like a stupid question.
we haven't attended a meeting in almost a year.
about 5 months ago they sent us a registered letter saying they wanted to meet with my husband and i and discuss charges of apostasy.
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lv4fer
Thank you all for your answers. I'm going with I'll just keep saying Hi and the next time I'm shunned I'll confront the individual if the timing is right. I don't want them to know if it bothers me or not. Deep down it is kind of fun to watch them squirm when I say Hi.