Posts by LyinEyes

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Name some practices of the WTS that are'nt bibical

by Leander in

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my personal hell has started since i told my wife i was stepping down and why i was doing so.

she has barely said 2 sentences to me in the last 24 hours, but i can understand her being upset so i'm trying my best to remain patient.. yesterday afternoon i told my cousin who is also one of my closest friends about my decision.

we ended up talking about it for more than 4 hours.

LyinEyes

I am not sure of what the truth is about Jesus dieing on the cross.
Maybe he did, seems like from my research so far, he did. But the JW
teach that he absolutely did not, and that the cross is to be looked on as a sign of the devil. At least that is the way I was raised to look at it . Now I wear one on my neck, I dont worship it, I try to feel closer to Jesus and hold it when I feel alone. When I see one
I think of Him . How can that be so wrong?

And also the new world translation has been discredited by REAL,
Bible scholars. The WT has added or deleted key words to fit their
teachings.

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Do you beleive in God, the bible or religion?

by Leander in

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i'm pretty sure this question has probably been asked before but i'd like to put it out here and see what the responses are.

my doubts about the bible probably began maybe 6 or 7 years ago, they were very small ones however and i managed to supress them for quite a while.

however certain events in my life would make those events resurface.

LyinEyes

I agree word for word what Amazing said. I totally understand what
you are saying about believing the bible, Leander. I started reading
the bible the other nite and made it as far as Gen . chapter 6.
I got pissed off and havent read the old testement since. I just
dont understand the flood, why all the innocent animals and children
had to die. Were all the people so bad they had to be destroyed,
while the angels that came to earth got to go back to what they were?
Doesnt make any sense to me,, I have to beleive that the people who
wrote the bible , thought that they knew God's purpose. But I hope
they were wrong , since the things that are written about God are not very loving. So I do not beleive the bible is flawless, I am having a hard time with my faith in general right now. I am not sure
I will continue to beleive any of the bible . This is very sad to me
I always thought I had my faith, now I have none or very little. I
am not giving up on it yet, it is just the more I look at it now , the less sense any of it makes.

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WHO..decided the Bible canon?

by gumby in

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so with all the writers around during,and after jesus time....who decided which books would be part of the bible?.

did god say...."i want his book, and his book and...let's see....his book....,to be part of my word.

is that how it happened?

LyinEyes

Thanks Gumby for the advice. I started reading the Bible the other
nite , I got to Gen. chap. 6 and got well, to put it truthfully,
pissed off. I cant understand God's actions. I can accept that
maybe I am not ever going to understand them, maybe we are not supposed to understand completely. I just want a small grain of
faith, I can build on that. I will do as you suggested and begin reading the book of Romans, I like to read before I sleep. Then in
time maybe I can go back and start from the beginning. I told my hubby tonite , that I still try to pray , not as I should but it is
all I can right now. I hope he is listening to me and gives me just a little help. But I guess, I feel so unworthy of his help, but like you mentioned , it is by grace with get his love and salvation
anyway. Maybe the ball is in my court,,, to accept it and build on it. Again, thanks to all for the intelligent conversation. It does feed the spirtual hunger , I have missed since leaving the borg, but wow ,, this is so much deeper, so much more fullfilling, keep up the great research and thanks for the time you all have put into this.
You are making a difference for a lot of us new ones out of the borg.

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Demons and Seances....What do you think?

by VioletAnai in

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i posted this in part on another thread, but am curious to know if anyone else has had experiences with seances.. my mum told me her story:.

it was her aunty may apparantly.

things started getting out of hand.

LyinEyes

As a teen, raised JW, father was an elder , mother was on prescription drugs,, there were some freaky things that happened
in our home. I wont eloborate on them now, but it was real.
I dont know if I imagined it, or it was some kind of brainwashing
I just dont know if I can trust what happened , as being demons
or something eles. If I could say for sure it was demons, then it
would make me beleive in God more. I am having trouble beleiving the
Bible and even God's exsistence right now. It is a horrible feeling to lose your faith. I am trying to find it, but I know I wont find it by reading books, or the bible even,,, after all , it is all an interpretation of some man. I would love to have an experience with
some supernatural , to make me beleive there are forces out there.
Even if it was not pleasant , it might make be beleive again. But
of course , I would hope that if my mother is in heaven , she will find a way to let me know. So from time to time , I pray to get faith. Nothing yet.

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WHO..decided the Bible canon?

by gumby in

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so with all the writers around during,and after jesus time....who decided which books would be part of the bible?.

did god say...."i want his book, and his book and...let's see....his book....,to be part of my word.

is that how it happened?

LyinEyes

Thank you all so much for your insight on this question. It is one
of great burning interest to me right now. I have been out of JW for
a year and have seemed to lost almost all of my faith in the Bible.
I want to beleive it, I want to beleive in God . I think somewhere
deep inside it is there. Here lately , I have been having some very
strong feelings about being Catholic, I was baptized as an infant and all of my family is Catholic. I want to have a relationship with
the Lord. I want to beleive, more than anything I could wish for right now. When did you know to go to the church? Did you start having some spiritual awaking, or some nagging hunger , even if
you were not sure what you were looking for? I dont trust my feelings on this,, am I feeling the lose of my spirtuality as I once knew, or could God really be trying to help me to have faith?
The JW did such a trick on me, I am afraid to trust myself on this.

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Please Be Seated

by MoeJoJoJo in

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remember those signs the brothers used to carry around the conventions in the corridors during the sessions?

"quiet please".

"please be seated".

LyinEyes

I remember this all too well. The brothers who got the awesome
responsibility of carring the "please take your seat"signs ,were
the loudest ones of all. You could always find them , good ole boys,
cutting up with all the elders who,for some reason never sat with
their families. Funny, that reminds me ...my husband was one of the elders, that never sat with his family. I guess he had to much
catching up to do with his secret apostate elder friend. They used to hide out in dark places or secluded rooms somewhere in the colosium,,, took forever to find him. I guess they didnt want anyone to hear their anti-borg ramblings. HEHEHE
And what in the hell was with the paper on the mirrors, and that scripture? Must have been the same brother who had the idea of making up those ignored signs. I even seen a sister in the bathroom
to monitor this and keep traffic moving,, she would hand one paper towel to each sister as she washed her hands. Just one!!! I am surprized she wasnt in the stall with us, counting toilet paper squares,, depending on what our business was!!! Call me a rebel....
haha....... I always went to the bathroom, stuck my tongue out at
any brother who showed me the sit down sign, let my kids eat and drink durning the session, and yes I like my hub, often would go visiting my friends to gossip. Usuallly this was done during the
keynote speakers address,,, always made sure I was back in time for
the drama thou. I also made a point of never being in my seat,
durning the music interlude, I would wait until the last minute
taking pictures and gabbing of course.

32

Top Five Ways To Annoy WTS at Assembles

by metatron in

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i suppose you could annoy the watchtower simply by.

doing the opposite of everything those dreary kingdom.

ministries tell you every year - like let your kids.

LyinEyes

Oh My Gawddddddd!!!! Ya'll are making me want to go to the District
Convention so bad. Maybe I will go and see some of you pranksters
there,,, I will be be the one sitting in the first row,, standing
screaming ,,, BULLSHIT BULLSHIT every few minutes. I will pretend to
have Tourette's Syndrome, and will apologize profusely at all the gasps. It will be our secret!!!!HEHEHE I hope to recognize some
of my apostate brothers and sisters, by their wonderful, brilliant
antics.

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4 more days till I leave the Watchtower

by Leander in

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in a few more days i'll be making my departure from the wts, part of me is relieved and yet another part of me is dreading the drama i'll be going through shortly.

i've been trying to prepare myself for the deluge of questions that i know are sure to come from my family.

my wife will be the first person i tell obviously and then i'll tell my mother and younger brother.

LyinEyes

I agree with fading , if at all possible because of your wife and family mainly. It will give them time for it all to sink in. This is
going to be very traumatic for them as well as yourself. You dont owe the brothers any explanations,, your letter simply states that you need to be releived of your duties and that will be a good first step. If they insist on an explanation, you can tell them you just
need some time to gets some personal issues in order...period. If they bring up any suspected apostacy , again, you can tell them you
just have things to work out, and like you said in the letter , really dont want to discuss it any further. My hubby, Wild Turkey and I , have been out for a year, not d/a or d/f ....yet,,,,it may happen but a year later I dont care. When I first left, it would have been very hard to be d/f , this way I am more sure of myself and my decision. Prepare for some confusing times, and you may even doubt your decision, but hang in there. Keep coming to the site and sharing how you feel, it has been the greatest tool for us in recovering. I can almost guarentee in a year or maybe sooner, you will be happier than you ever have in your whole life. We are!!!!
Best wishes on your new path!!!!

23

Bikers and Kids

by animal in

the group i founded, sons of liberty riders, is taking a kid for a ride on a harley, in pa.. while this may not seem like a big deal to us adults, most of us dont have the same limitations he has.

ryan has cancer, to the point that he probly wont make it past this summer, if that long.

when we were asked, by my sister, to grant his wish, we knew it could get big.

LyinEyes

Animal, this was so touching. I admire you and your bike group for
this wonderful arrangment, I am sure it will make Ryan so happy. I posted a message too and look forward to hearing how he enjoyed it.
I have children as you know, and I am grateful they are well. But my heart always goes out to the little angels that only have a short time. God bless you and your friends for making their time left ,filled with special days and dreams. I hope you can post a pic
of Ryan for us to see him on the bike. Let him know , that although we are really strangers to him, we would like to be his friends, and are excited for him . We are praying for a beautiful sunny, warm day for his bike journey. Luv, Dede

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The Cold Within

by Kenneson in

six humans trapped by happenstance.

in bleak and bitter cold.. each one possessed a stick of wood,.

or so the story's told.. their dying fire needed logs .. the first one held his back.

LyinEyes

Thanks for the poem, loved it. Post some more, post some more!!!!