know to be true.
facts we know to be true
be physical facts.
Hello everyone,
these few lines are to apologize for the headache that this
topic might have caused to any of you...!
I knew it was quite painful to read it.
Flowerpetal, the quote simply state what J. Rutherford
has claimed , all the time since he was elected 'president'
in the year 1917, until his death in 1942!
Not too bad for ...one of Christ brothers!
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
elders are appointed by the 'governing body '
elders are appointed by 'holy spirit '
yes, the elders are appointed by holy spirit,
Hello Flowerpetal and little witch,
these few lines to thanks you for your contribution to the topic.
As I have already written, some people have great difficulty
in accepting true facts and yet they can swallow easily...anything
else which is presented to them...not even checking or questioning
at all.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
this topic is based on a statement published by the wtbs inc. on
"jehovah's witnesss in the divine purpose " page 140 :
"jehovah's witnesss in the divine purpose " page 95
Hello Flowerpetal,
thanks for your nice contribution. Your retorical question
has the basic and truthful answer:
Most of the R&F are ignorant of many, many topics which
are posted in this Board. Maybe they are blind, maybe
they're tired, maybe they...don't know what to believe
anymore...some are just very sad victims of the WTBS Inc.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
this topic is based on a statement published by the wtbs inc. on
"jehovah's witnesss in the divine purpose " page 140 :
"jehovah's witnesss in the divine purpose " page 95
Hello everyone,
these few lines to thank Room 215 and Gumby for the excellent
remarks about the " contraddictory claims" of the WTBS Inc. and
the fact that middle ages Christians ...are not really considered
"...true Christians .." by the mighty WTBS Inc. corporation.
They often hint about 'genuine...true Christians ' and they really
want to exclude everybody but themselves.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
***the mole*** i told many of you i recieved a letter from ray franz regarding my situation with my family and my kingdom hall.
his kindness and compassion found the time to write me and uplift me, this should help tinkerbell82 also....-----ray wrote, " as for what you will do in your present situation, that is something you must work out with god's help and the guidance of his spirit.
one must make decisions as to what conscience can allow, what good can be accomplished.
Hello The mole,
thanks for sharing with this board the comments from Ray Franz.
Besides the exortative, encouraging remarks at the conclusion,
I have to admit that the following comment is ...painfully true:
"The sad fact is that the Witness organization stongly resembles a
police state and that any statement that does not conform completely
to organizational dogma and policy can result in others acting as police
informers, reporting on what one may have said in personal, private
conversations with others. Word thus reaches the elders or the branch
office and the individual is suddenly in jeopoardy, faced with judicial hearings. "
Yet the might WTBS Inc. speaks, publish word concerning
'individual human rights' and the ...so much publicized
'freedom of expression, ideas and opinions ' !
Many thanks again, to you and Ray Franz for such
well worded and sincere expressions of truth.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
' The truth can never be hurt by a lie, but a lie can be exposed by the truth'.
alas, some expensive witness traditions have ended - like food service at assemblies or mailed subscriptions.. however, since 1996, the society has had a tradition of begging for money in the november watchtower.. i think they hope rich witnesses will think about re-balancing their portfolios or making changes before the end.
of the taxable year in december.. .
lawyers and new printing facilities ( to be on-line in 2005) cost a lot of money, so look for their appeal soon.. .
Hello everyone,
these few line to thank 'metatron' . His comment, imho,
is right on target:
"If they keep suggesting it, over and over, they're beggin' .."
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
"The truth can never be hurt by a lie, but a l ie can be exposed by the truth."
this topic is based on a statement published by the wtbs inc. on
"jehovah's witnesss in the divine purpose " page 140 :
"jehovah's witnesss in the divine purpose " page 95
Hello everyone,
These few lines are to thank, all of you for
the interesting comment to post, the
additional insight and the appreciatiuve remarks.
? The truth can never be hurt by a lie, but
a lie can be exposed by the truth ?
alas, some expensive witness traditions have ended - like food service at assemblies or mailed subscriptions.. however, since 1996, the society has had a tradition of begging for money in the november watchtower.. i think they hope rich witnesses will think about re-balancing their portfolios or making changes before the end.
of the taxable year in december.. .
lawyers and new printing facilities ( to be on-line in 2005) cost a lot of money, so look for their appeal soon.. .
Hello Metatron,
thanks for the reminder...!
As usual there are various ways mentioned in the article
(w. November 1st 2003 , pages 28-29).
Here we go:
*Conditional donation arrangement;
*Charitable planning;
*Bank account;
*Stocks and Bonds;
*Real Estate;
*Gift Annuity;
*Wills and trusts;
NB. For more informations:
Charitable Planning Office
Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
100 Watchtower Drive, Patterson, New York 12563-9204
Telephone : (845) 306-0707
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
Greetings to all,
J.C. MacHislopp
know to be true.
facts we know to be true
be physical facts.
Hello everyone,
Warning :This topic is meant to be ?relaxing!
Many time we have used facts to
prove that something did really happen or to
give convincing evidence in order to help the
other part to achieve a better understanding of matters.
This kind of practice is well known by the WTBS
Inc., which uses it all time and bring to the attentions
of the R&F, all sorts of " evidence in proof "-
Please allow to give you a tipical example where the WTBS Inc., actually goes further and gives a definition of " evidence/s"
The quotes are taken from the book " The Harp of God ",
by J.F. Rutherford , published by the I.B.S.A.,
the "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, N.Y. U.S.A."
and the Peoples Pulpit Association, Brooklyn ,N.Y. "
( 1928 edition).
Let's begin with page 245 , paragraph 420 :
" Evidence is that which is submitted to ascertain and establish the truth upon a question at issue or for determi-nation. Positive evidence is that which is given by witnesses who testify to things which they have seen and know to be true. Circumstantial evidence is a combination of harmonious circumstances which naturally lead to a certain result, as effect from cause."
Are you still there? It continues:
"Where things transpire in accordance with God's fixed laws, and such facts we know to be true , these may be said to be physical facts. If God has caused his holy prophets to testify that certain things would come to pass at some unknown time, and then such events do transpire which we see and known to be true , such facts are pro perly called physical facts, and such proof is properly called circumstantial evidence ."
Hello,no headache yet? Then you?re ready for page 245
paragraph 421 :
" The reliability of positive evidence depends much upon circumstances which are known to be true. If therefore we find that certain events have come to pass in our day and that these events are known to us and known to be true, and that such events and facts are exactly in harmony with divine prophecy, then we may say, these are physical facts which we may confidently rely upon as competent proof to establish the question for determination . The question now at issue and for determination is, When did the Lord come to his temple, and what is the proof thereof?"
Hello ?are you still there?
Please do remember that the author of this material, was part of "God's channel" , "anointed heir of Jesus Christ" , "member of the ? Governing Body" , appointed by Jesus Christ .
Yes, he is the same - author - who wrote, on page 251 and
paragraph 430 :
" It would be reasonable to expect him to be present some time before he would take unto himself his great power to reign. His presence beginning in 1874, he has carried on his harvest work from 1878 forward, but has not interrupted t he Gentile dominion until that dominion should end. The end of the Gentile rule, therefore, would mark necessarily The end of the world. We should expect, then, to find 1914 as the beginning of the end of the old world or Satan's organization. And that this would take place during the pre sence of the Lord he definitely stated."
I do hope that you've have found this example
quite interesting and/or amusing and of course
a true example of ? clearly written words? .
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
"Historia est testis temporum, lux veritatis, vita memoriae,
magistra vitae, nuntia vetustatis".
(Cicerone , De Oratore, II)
if there are 6 million active baptised jws in the world, how many inactive, df'd or da'd jws do you think there are?
what effect do you think this number of not-active-for-whatever-reason has on the potential growth of jw?
Hello kgfreeperson,
Thanks for the topic.
Please take a look at the material below, that I did post
sometime ago, concerning the official WTBS Inc.'s figures for the total number of : ? active proponents of Kingdom rule ? alias publishers. Please do keep well in mind their claim, published in a recent Watchtower :
The Watchtower 15 th January, 2001 page 17 3:
Of course , the number of those associated with Jehovahs Witnesses is not a criterion for determining if they enjoy
divine favor, nor do statistics impress God.
Let's take a look at these figures, for the last
40 years, well from the the year 1962.
Here we go:
*** 1961 no. of average publishers???.884,587
*** N. of baptisms 1962-2002 ????...8,312,330
***Maximum (possible) total of
of baptized Ws in the year 2002?....9,196,917 (a)
==========
***Peak of Publishers for the
year 2002??6,304,645 (b)
- in this case (b) where are the
missing 2,892,272 publishers???
***Average of Publishers for the
year 2002 ..6,048,600
- in this case where are the
missing 3,148,317 publishers???
Again, some more interesting questions for the
'defenders ' of the mighty WTBS Inc. -
Of course we could deduct a maximum of 1%
to account for disf., diss. and the ?dead.
Still, many hundred of thousands ?will be missing.
That?s all for now, greetings
J.C.MacHislopp
"Historia est testis temporum, lux veritatis,
vita memoriae, magistra vitae, nuntia vetustatis".
(Ciceron e , De Oratore, II)
