Hello St George of England,
You are, inho, 100% right:
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Greetings,
JC MacHislopp
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May WT study edition: full of king of North and South / Rusia
by Gorbatchov injw.org is on collision course with russia.
the may wt study edition is full of prophesy related to the time of the end and what we have read so much in isaiah and jeremia bookstudy publications.. they found their enemy again.
jw.org needs enemy's to exist.
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May WT study edition: full of king of North and South / Rusia
by Gorbatchov injw.org is on collision course with russia.
the may wt study edition is full of prophesy related to the time of the end and what we have read so much in isaiah and jeremia bookstudy publications.. they found their enemy again.
jw.org needs enemy's to exist.
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MacHislopp
Hello everyone,
I would like to add :
Jimmy Young :
The Society”s Governing Body has taught for decades,
that “the nations ...will attack FIRST all the false religions,
destroying “Babylon the Great “ and THEN go after
“Jehovah's people”!!! Another false teaching, another LIE!
The Fall Guy :
We should write :
For the Society”s Governing Body
Every other Christian in the world is
a false Christian - so their persecution
doesn't count!
"WHAT does the near future hold for
Jehovah’s people?"
Good point! It is the same tune as the the theme
“Your deliverance is getting near!”
Zion's Watch Tower June 1st , 1910 (page R4627)
Thank God for the great Deliverer; t
hank God also, for his great day of
deliverance, the Millennial age, now nigh at hand!
Quite a LONG ..time to wait!
Nowwhat?
“If they're so concerned about the Russian brothers
why don't they. bring them to the U.S.A. . for asylum?
An excellent point! But remember ...brother Mark
Sanderson and his staff flew from Moscow ina hurry!
To finish with two WTBS Inc reminders spaced of 122 YEARS :
ZION'S
WATCH TOWER
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Herald of Christ's Presence
Apri 1882 N 10
R 344 page 7
We have no creed (fence) to bind us together or to keep others out of our company. The Bible is our only standard, and its teachings our only creed, and recognizing the progressive character of the unfolding of Scriptural truths, we are ready and prepared to add to or modify our creed (faith--belief) as we get increase of light from our Standard.
and
*** w04 3/1 p. 6 True Christianity Is Flourishing § 10
Like Timothy, true Christians today are keeping their senses by
rejecting human reasoning and by accepting only
Scriptural authority for their doctrinal belief
Greetings to all of you,
JC MacHislopp
PS I do apologize for the format.
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Public Talk Outlines!
by Atlantis incurrent public talk outlines.
blank page between each talk.. .
https://docdro.id/w209l0s.
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MacHislopp
Hello Petra,
once again many thanks for this excellent and ... orecious file!!!
Very useful to check "in writing"n among other things, some of th
WTBS Inc.Governing Body lies.
My friends here in Europe ...send their thanks -also.
Greetings to .. you all,
J.C. MacHislopp
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"MUST" Release such Guilty Members to Punishment!
by Atlantis in"must" release such guilty members to punishment .
watchtower 1962, november 15th, pg.-693, par.-9-10.
“9 worldly authorities render a judgment and punish persons, whether they are inside the congregation or outside, if they violate the laws of decency and good order.
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MacHislopp
Hello Petra and Atlantis,
thanks for the great , great find! I've intention to show it to someone....
expecially after the Holland Report and the efforts made by the WTBS Inc
to stop the Report being made public. I'll post the answer.
Btwn tthanks also for the beautiful pics!
Greating,
J.C. MacHislopp
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Some of the Dutch investigation conclusions leaked
by Gorbatchov in#title error changed.
this is the news report:.
researchers: place jehovah’s under stricter state control
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MacHislopp
Hello Gorby,
Many friends in Europe are hoping to to see "The Report" freely avalaible
to the public in general. Many thanks for your " anticipation" and we shall
see in action the Dutch judge(s) ! I can garantee that my close friends in Belgium,
France, Italy, Spain, Poland and Switzerland are waiting to see the WTBS Branch
in Holland ...exposed for what they really are as Marianne de Voogd stated
"We can no longer be dismissed as liars."
Greetings,
JC MacHislopp
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Changes In Canada
by LetTheTruthBeKnown ini am surprised no one has mentioned what is going on in canada.. maybe they have but i missed it.
so here are some of the facts as i know them.
ontario only.. sault st. marie had their six congregations whittled down to two.
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MacHislopp
Hello LetTheTruthBeKnown
thanks for te ... good news. I'm wondering about the contributions/donations!
I'm hoping that they will experience a drastic, very drastic fall...
Greetings,
J.C. MacHislopp
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3-New Files For You!
by Atlantis in2019-11-s-77-e-notice of disfellowshipping or disassociation.
https://docdro.id/me8ocou.
2020-01-s-52-e-bi- assignment to view special talk.
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MacHislopp
Hello Petra,
many thanks for the files. Many friends in various part of Europe
will be delighted with the material.
Greetings to all - the team - and you,
JC MacHislopp
PS Have a relaxing time, by the river/lake side!
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147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people
by neat blue dog induring gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.
i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.
then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.
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MacHislopp
Hello neat blue dog ,
thanks for the topic. Very, very interesting !
Please allow me to add the following about the gb member Gerrit Lösch (born 1941)
He was a pioneer since November 1, 1961 and was circuit and district overseer in Austria between 1963 and 1976. In 1965/1966 he was invited to the 41th Gilead class.In 1967 he married to Merete and sometime after that they entered to the Bethel in Vienna, Austria, where he stayed 14 years. In 1993/1994 was called to the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in Brooklyn, where he worked for the Executive Committee and Service Committee. Gerrit Lösch knows well the WTBS' activities in Europe and speaks German, English, Rumanian and Italian. On July 1, 1994 he was appointed as a member of the WTBS Governing Body..
See also on youtube : https://youtu.be/7R4f9ygxDbk (only 5min 50 sec)A talk by Gerrit Lösh given in Italian – with english subtitles - during a special Convention on May 22nd ,2005 in the city of Monza, near Milan, Italy. He expresses the official WTBS view on higher education.
By the way, LISTENER , is it possible to have the complete transcript of his talk on the 147th Gilead school graduation?Greetings to all,
JC MacHislopp
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How can a building dedicated to God, be sold?
by krismalone ini was just wondering this morning about all the kingdom halls and branches being sold to "babylon the great" and other businesses.
every single kingdom hall and bethel branch that has been sold was "dedicated to jehovah" by the watchtower corporation.
a special meeting with a guest speaker gives a talk and then offers a prayer dedicating the building to yhwh.
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MacHislopp
Hello krismalone,
I do agree with you 100%! Imho you have made an excellent analogy
and what I do like the most is:
" What about Ananias and Saphira who verbally said they dedicated funds to God yet they kept a portion for themselves and God killed them? "
Just think about the million,s and millions of US dollars that the Society
gained -TAX FREE -with all the buildings sales, many "Bethels" all over
the world, thousands of KHalls, and Assebly Halls etc etc.
All dedicated " to Jehovah " ...forever!!!
All the best to you,
JC MacHislopp
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The Craziness of an Average Bible Study
by Number 6 inlast week i posted a thread asking about who knew any "real anointed" and got some cracking replies.. that got me to thinking, as someone brought up in the 70's and 80's in the watchtower religion, my experience of bible studeis in their homes and those who made it to the hall were mostly batshit crazy or at least people with some serious quirks.. i'll relate a few, none of whose names i remember with any clarity.. in our cong we had an older couple who were from london, but who had been in the 1950's in the circuit work in the mid west usa.
they brought along some woman one night they had started a study with who told everyone cheerfully she was a recovering alcoholic and this was her cure (coming to the meetings).
this went on for a few weeks until one night they brought her to the memorial and she was royally pissed, and i mean barely able to stand; and went up to the platform table and necked some wine.
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MacHislopp
Hello everyone,
an interesting post. Ding made an excellent point :
"study would quickly transition from them answering my questions to me answering the WT's questions" Very true indeed.
Allow me to complete the title of the post
“ The Craziness and the Hidden rocks of an Average Bible Study”.
I am not alone in beeing convinced of the importance that every ' baptism candidate' in the Jehovah's Witnesses organization, should be aware of the Legalistic and Judicial aspects of his/her future in the Jws organization. Allo me to explain:
Quote:
“I represent the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., the parent organisation of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the United States.
C. Relation between the Congregations and its members.
It is axiomatic that the essence of the relationship of a religious society with its members is held by the courts to be the agreements of the parties, and generally, a profession of faith, adherence to the doctrine of the religious society and submission to its government.
76 C.J.S. Religious Societies 11 (1952).
A party having voluntarily assented to become a member of a congregation thereby nsubjects himself or herself to the existing rules and procedures of said congregation and cannot deny their existence.
All who unite themselves to such a voluntary religious organisation do so with the implied consent to this government and are bound submit to it?"
end of Quote
Quite strong, legalistic words which call for some observations:
°°° Many years ago the term " religious, religion" etc. was referred exclusively to the false " worship "?.but today the recognition of " beeing an organized religion " brings, in many countries?numerous a d v a n t a g e s !
All these ' well couched ' words/expressions but where is Jehovah, and where is Jesus Christ in the matter etc.?
This kind of material/informations, does not appear in any of the WTBS Inc. publications avalaible at the Kingdom Hall, including the ' secret' manual for elders only .
Although clear instructions, about the procedure, in the case of a ' prospective baptism candidate' are given in Watchtower articles like the following one:
*** w96 1/15 17 Jehovah's Sheep Need Tender Care
9 As an unbaptized publisher progresses spiritually, he may make a dedication to God in prayer and want to be baptized. (Compare Mark 1:9-11.) He should make his desire for baptism known to the congregation?s presiding overseer, who will arrange for elders to review with the publisher the questions on pages 175 to 218 of Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry.The four parts into which the questions are divided may be covered in three sessions by three different elders if possible.
If they agree that the unbaptized publisher has a reasonable understanding of Bible teachings and qualifies in other ways, they will tell him that he may be baptized. As a result of his dedication and baptism, he becomes “markeed” for salvation.”Ezekiel 9:4-6.
*** w89 1/15 17 How Baptism Can Save Us
9 Jehovah?s Witnesses do not follow unscriptural writings, such as that just quoted, but elders do hold discussions with those desiring to be baptized.
Why? To make sure that these persons are believers who meet divine requirements and who have made a dedication to Jehovah. (Acts 4:4; 18:8; 2 Thessalonians 3:2)
Discussing questions in the book Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry helps to determine whether a person qualifies for baptism.
*** w88 6/15 28 Becoming an Ordained Minister-God's Way
To help the new believer further, Christian elders arrange to meet with him and spend time reviewing the basic teachings of the Bible. This, for one thing, assures the elders that the prospective Christian has acquired an accurate knowledge of God's purposes.
In conclusion at which moment the " candidate for baptism " is told of the full implications derived from - becoming a baptized member " ?
At which moment the " candidate for baptism " is told of the full impact of what happens in case - in the future - the baptized person should be guilty of a 'serious sin' and the body of elders, through the action of a 'judicialcommittee, would take any kind of action against him/her.
Does the baptism candidate fully understand the implication and the meaning of a 'judicial committee'?
They need to know – be made aware - that:
*** In all judicial proceedings, in the JW's congregations there are
no public trials, only 3 (or more elders), the accused one, and for only part of the time, any witnesses.
*** No one else is allowed to hear what is said.
*** The witnesses are not required to testify publicly.
*** Contrary to the standard procedure used in any of the nation's courts, where to preserve/safeguard the integrity of the event and eliminate any possible misunderstanding or deliberate mis-representation of the testimony
given, stenographers are employed for the transcription and/or the recording of all the judicial proceedings in all JW's judicial proceeding this is strictly forbidden.
Furthermore, the 'baptismcandidate' has been informed and is fully aware of all the possible implication and the consequences of a judicial decision toward himself/herself, his/her family, close friends, members of the congregation, in case of a - far reaching - decision should be taken by the body of elders?
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All this should be clearly explained , well before the 'bible student' begins to ' prepare ' for baptism. Obviously such explanation should not be made in 'a couple of words', but in such a manner which would rule out any possible misunderstanding concerning the practical implications and consequences of becoming affiliated with:
" the theocratic organization of Jehovah's Witnesses and his submission to it. "
Therefore he/she should well known what does it mean in real life, for any Jehovah's Witnesses to be: " shunned " or " disfellowshipped " or "dissociated "!
*** w88 11/15 17 Helping Others to Worship God
9 The two elders will inform the student that when he qualifies for and shares in the field service, he may turn in a field service report and a Congregation?s Publisher Record card will be made out in his name.
This will demonstrate his affiliation with the theocratic organization of Jehovah?s Witnesses and his submission to it. (This would also be true of all others turning in field service reports.)
Final questionn oes the " bible s t u d e n t " understand, grasps the implication of the WTBS Inc. 3 key words :
*** A F F I L I A T I O N
*** S U B M I S S I O N
***O R G A N I Z A T I O N
In the early 90's “brother “ Philip Brumley, legal Counsel for the WTBS Inc. dealt with the subject of the WTBS Inc. ***legal right *** to disfellowship a member of any of the Jehovah's Witnesses congregations.
Hoping that this could be useful,
Greetings, JC Mac Hislopp