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  LAWYERS' SEASONAL GREETINGS

  by ThiChi in

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  from us ("the wishor") to you ("hereinafter called the wishee") .

  please accept without obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for .

  an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, politically correct, low .

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Thi Chi,

  thanks for the excellent post,...

  a new and witty way to whish

  everything to everybody.

  Greetings and please accept...

  without implication my wishes

  and greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Hypocrisy in Bethal V's the publishers

  by sleepy in

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  lets see what is the difference between a bethalite and a publisher?.

  when working in bethal you are considered to be a pioneer.. that means in bethal you can do carpentry , cleaning , cooking , painting ,washing clothes , ironing sorting out bills and accounts and many other jobs and be considered a pioneer and spiritualy strong.. you can even miss meetings do no ministry in the week and still be spiritualy strong.. if extra work is needed to be done you can miss meetings to do it and still be considered a pioneer and spiritually strong.. if you are a publisher and spend all week doing house work , decorating your house sorting bills out a miss a meeting or don't go on the ministry you are spiritually weak.. the elders will be concerned at your lack of spiritual goals and you may become an iregular publisher or even inactive.. of course the publisher has the advantage of having to do all his/her menial tasks after working full time to pay the bills.. i wish i could be spiritually strong like those bethalites.. of course as a publisher if i had a house kept as well as bethal employing all those extra workers to do so i would be considered materialistic, but the governing body can do that and still be considered spritualy strong.. of course there are no class distinctions with jehovahs witnesses all are equal just some more than others.

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  MacHislopp

  Helo Sleepy and Nowfree,

  thanks for the "inside "

  informations. Although some already known

  i.e. works of anykind in the Bethel = spirituality

  the rest it is fascinating.

  Thanks again for sharing it.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Ve Vil Choose Who Takes Ze Emblems

  by Englishman in

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  2. friends

  this is a spin-off to scully's stunning account of mistreatment at the hands of jw elders.. scully was refused the emblems at a memorial celebration.

  this happened once to me also, just after my father had died.

  stupidly, my wife and i agreed to accompany my mother to a memorial.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Englishman,

  a very good question

  and a true life experience.

  From peronal knowledge, it was and I do presume

  it is still today, the elder look - not so much -

  at the act in itself i.e. the taking of the emblems

  but who is taking them, the age, how long etc.etc.

  If they have "some doubts...", they will question the

  person to make sure that "their professing to belong

  to the anointed ..." it is not some emotional, whim

  of irrational choice dictated by who knows what.

  To give you another life ex. - a sister in her early

  forties, partook the emblems...for the firt time...

  after the regular ..call it was ascertained that

  she did it a particular state of mind: "... depression .."

  so the elders did not count her as an anointed one.

  I hope this will be useful,

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Study 16th December

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one part of the watchtower study really got my goat!.

  i know its not original thinking but , paragraph 17 of study article said .

  "jehovah's longsuffering is lasting longer than some have anticipated, however that is no reason to give up, to do so would be tantamount to criticizing god for being longsuffering".

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  MacHislopp

  Hello BluesBrother,

  thanks for the excellent comment

  abouth the 15th December' study.

  I'm sure that you are aware that it is always

  " brother .... ' someone's ' fault "!!

  A misterious but guilty figure.

  Never, never, never the WTBS!!!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Greek heroes & the nephalim

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone remember this being in print or hearing the same thing .... i remember more than one talk where the suggestion was made that the larger-than-life greek heroes were the same nephalim or "mighty ones of old" mentioned in the bible.. does anyone else remember this?

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Simon,

  concerning your question and more precisely this point:

  “... the larger-than-life Greek heroes were the same

  nephilim or "mighty ones of old" mentioned in the bible.”

  here are the result of a -quick - research

  N° 1 *** w94 2/1 5-6 Agents of Evil ***

  The account continues at Genesis 6:4: “The Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.” These hybrid sons born to women and fathered by angels were abnormally strong, “mighty ones.” They were men of violence, or Nephi·lim', a Hebrew word that means “those who cause others to fall down.”
  It is noteworthy that these events later found expression in the legends of ancient civilizations. For example, a 4,000-year-old Babylonian epic describes the superhuman exploits of Gilgamesh, a mighty, violent demigod whose “lust [left] no virgin to her lover.” Another example, from Greek legend, is the superhuman Hercules (or Heracles). Born to Alcmene, a human, and fathered by the god Zeus, Hercules set out on a series of violent adventures after killing his wife and children in a fit of madness. Although such tales were greatly distorted as they passed from generation to generation, they tie in with what the Bible says about the Nephilim and their rebellious angelic fathers.

  N° 2 *** it-2 492-3 Nephilim ***

  Increased Wickedness. “The mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame” that were produced by these marriages, were not men of fame with God, for they did not survive the Flood, as did Noah and his family. They were “Nephilim,” bullies, tyrants, who no doubt helped to make conditions worse. Their angelic fathers, knowing the construction of the human body and being able to materialize, were not creating life, but lived in these human bodies and, cohabiting with women, brought forth children. Their children, “mighty ones,” were therefore unauthorized hybrids. Apparently the Nephilim did not, in turn, have children.
  In Mythology. The fame and dread of the Nephilim, it appears, gave rise to many mythologies of heathen people who, after the confusion of languages at Babel, were scattered throughout the earth. Though the historical forms of the Genesis account were greatly distorted and embellished, there was a remarkable resemblance in these ancient mythologies (those of the Greeks being only one example), in which gods and goddesses mated with humans to produce superhuman heroes and fearful demigods having god-man characteristics.—See GREECE, GREEKS (Greek Religion).

  N°3 *** it-1 1001 Greece, Greeks ***
  There is evidence of Babylonian influence on Greek religion. One ancient Greek fable is nearly a literal translation of an Akkadian original.
  Another poet, Hesiod, probably of the eighth century B.C.E., is credited with systematizing the multitude of Greek myths and legends. Together with the Homeric poems, Hesiod’s Theogony formed the principal sacred writings, or theology, of the Greeks.
  In considering the Greek myths, it is of interest to see how the Bible sheds light on their possible or even probable origin. As Genesis 6:1-13 shows, prior to the Flood, angelic sons of God came to earth, evidently materializing in human form, and cohabited with attractive women. They produced offspring who were called Nephilim, or Fellers, that is, “those who cause others to fall down.” The result of this unnatural union of spirit creatures with humans, and the hybrid race it produced, was an earth filled with immorality and violence. (Compare Jude 6; 1Pe 3:19, 20; 2Pe 2:4, 5; see NEPHILIM.) Like others of the post-Flood times, Javan, the progenitor of the Greek people, undoubtedly heard the account of pre-Flood times and circumstances, likely from his father Japheth, a survivor of the Flood. Note, now, what the writings attributed to Homer and Hesiod reveal.

  The numerous gods and goddesses they described had human form and great beauty, though often being gigantic and superhuman. They ate, drank, slept, had sexual intercourse among themselves or even with humans, lived as families, quarreled and fought, seduced and raped. Though supposedly holy and immortal, they were capable of any type of deceit and crime. They could move among mankind either visibly or invisibly. Later Greek writers and philosophers sought to purge the accounts of Homer and Hesiod of some of the more vile acts attributed to the gods.

  These accounts may reflect, although in greatly expanded, embellished, and distorted form, the authentic account of pre-Flood conditions found in Genesis. A further remarkable correspondency is that, in addition to the principal gods, the Greek legends describe demigods or heroes who were of both divine and human descent. These demigods were of superhuman strength but were mortal (Hercules being the only one of them granted the privilege of attaining immortality). The demigods thus bear a marked similarity to the Nephilim in the Genesis account."

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  I hope this will help you. Pleased to have done - something just for you -

  receive my greetings, James Charles MacHislopp
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  denied babtism

  by rakiasp in

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  i have a question that puzzles me and would like to receive some ideas.

  i used to be a witness for two years before fading away, leaving quietly.

  i was not disfellowshipped and i did not write a letter of dissasociation.. the way i got babtised was such that noone from my congragation saw it since the babtisees were taken by buses from the convention to a private swimming pool.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Rakiasp,

  a very ineresting question and I can tell you

  it is not so strange. I do know odf someone who

  claimed this, to avoid beeing disfellowshipped.

  The elders enquired about the baptism, but thay

  could not find an eye-witness to the baptism, not

  even a family member. The case was closed, and if the

  person wants "... to return..." he/she will have to start

  everything again. Stil the point made by unclebruce:

  "...Elders do have the option to 'annul' your baptism if you simply make the claim that you didn't fully understand what you were doing. An announcement is then made to the congregation. "

  it is very, very interesting.

  Please let us know your decision and the outcome.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  American emergency consent to treatment

  by MacHislopp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would like to share with you this:.

  from ........................... bmj 2001;323:1464-1466 ( 22-29 december ).

  a practical guide to informed consent to treatment .

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  I would like to share with you this:

  from ........................... BMJ 2001;323:1464-1466 ( 22-29 December )

  A practical guide to informed consent to treatment
  Andrew D Oxman, director a, Iain Chalmers, director b, David L Sackett, director c

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  One article

  “American emergency consent to treatment

  "Before we can operate on you, our lawyers insist that you sign this piece of paper. You may request a magnifying glass to read the fine print. A charge for this will be added to your bill. If you have received narcotics to relieve your pain before signing this form, please indicate this on pages 12, 21, and 54. If you are still in severe pain, you may rip up pages 56 to 75 and chew on page 76. A charge for this will be added to your bill. If you would like to consult a lawyer before signing this form, we have a highly paid staff of lawyers on call who can assist you.
  Charges for this service are listed on pages 77 to 80. If you would like to know what the evidence is that the procedure will help you, we would be happy to tell you about our excellent experience with patients just like yourself. Fortunately, no one has ever conducted a proper evaluation of this procedure, so our excellent experience is the best available evidence.
  Trust us. If you would like to question our excellent experience, we would be happy to call a taxi for you. If you are currently unconscious, aphasic, illiterate, unable to communicate in English, or uninsured, please get out of our emergency room at once."

  I hope you liked it.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Raymond Franz and UN

  by kpax in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  can anyone ask raymond franz what he knows about the un involvement?.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  with all due respect for each others opinions,

  I do agree with Island Woman i.e.

  "...Raymond Franz has done more than enough for us! The UN thing pales in comparison to his exposure of the inner workings of the Governing Body!"

  Very true indeed.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  WTS Document found in UN Collection - MAJOR

  by hawkaw in

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  i have received a package from the united nations high commissioner for human rights.

  you may recall that dino found out that the uns high commissioners office in geneva, switzerland has in its collection the november 22, 1998 awake!

  magazine article titled a long job finished (pages 3 and 4) and a second article titled the universal declaration of human rights (page 5).

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  MacHislopp

  Hello HawKaw and Dino,

  thanks again for the excellent job and the

  ...wonderfull result to let light shine on this issue

  and uncover the WTBS lies...again.

  The all documentation, is on file but also on paper,

  and it's quite a nice size!!!

  The more publicity it is given the better it is.

  To DB...congratulations for the beautful picture,

  it always a pleasure to look at nice things!

  To Bluesapphire (...this name what a beauty...!!)

  Thanks for the mention, but as I wrote few times ,

  all this it is the rsult of a great combined efforts

  on this board...each one bringing his/her contribution

  never mind how small or great. Thanks again, for all your

  comments.

  Dino: thanks for the keen observations, very factual

  and as usual ..very, very true! Thanks, your work on

  this matter it is greatly appreciated.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Elder Lies To Newspaper Reporter

  by MadApostate in

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  tab to bottom of article to read "theocratic warfare" lies from elder>>>.

  some churchgoers won't be going to see graham .

  by barbara anderson.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello again, MAP,

  another interesting ...bit.

  Again, if ever needed the proof of double talk.

  JW's do study the Bible...but with the aid of the

  WTBS publications...and where the Bible is silent..

  the WTBS is not and so men's doctrine are formed,

  modified, nullified, resuscitated etc.etc.

  New light, old light, progressive truth

  coming from the altar, coming from Jehovah,

  coming from Jesus - through the "Faithful and

  discreet slave class "... and so on but the

  vast majority of the people doesn't know

  all this, unless they - visit - forum like

  this one.

  Greetings, J.C. MacHislopp