Posts by andrekish

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Islamaphobia

by Joe Grundy in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzwzfpzw0ps.

je suis charlie.

The problem here is on BOTH sides potentially. It is true that Islam indicates that the 'infidel', non-believer should be killed. I know for a personal fact having been given a promotional book about Islam by a practicing Muslim - who did not agree with the opening words of the book: "Kill the infidel, kill him." Those are the verbatim actual real life words. Kinda made me question Islam 'coz that means peace, not kill. This killing off of us infidels is being promoted amongst many of the fanatics and extremists within Islam.

Kind of reminds me of the fanatical Christians hurling abuse at the funerals of homosexual or lesbian folk. And the Israelis marching to promote the war against Palestine, or what's left of it these days. Or the Hamas marches demanding the end of the Jews. And Ukraine didn't do itself any favours over the last few years either.

We have extreme people amongst us who happily find any excuse to harm of kill anyone they have a mind to.

In the UK years ago the Brits found a good excuse to annihilate German cities with hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. I have no sympathy for any serving military personnel who go and get themselves hurt in war since it takes at least two sides to argue and they are one of the sides with weapons that kill wherever they are pointed. The Germans had at that time, however, dreamed up, what seemed to them a good idea, and they slaughtered millions. There is no country with clean hands.

Islamic extremism is today's western media and government target. Western Governments and media are the target of Islamic theocracies. So why do both sides always keep killing civilians who get in their way? The West is as guilty as the East. The North is as guilty as the South. All kill civilians.

They are all terrorists. None has the right to drop a bomb amongst civilians. None has the right to point any weapon at a child and pull the trigger. The history of humanity is littered with the blood and bones and guts and brains of man spilled everywhere.

In fact - most of human kind are indeed terrorists - they end up supporting mad reasons to kill each other.

(Je ne suis pas Charlie 'coz he's rude to people and I have more intelligence than to go around deliberately winding up the people with guns - especially since we all know they will use them if provoked - and there ain't no such thing as freedom of speech anywhere - for example only here just ask those who promote child abuse - some stuff IS illegal and very rightly so.)

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How would you respond to this defense made on behalf of The Watchtower's Child Abuse lawsuits?

by adjusted knowledge in

details of the society's child abuse policies have been published in jehovah's witnesses' publications, although more specific guidelines are only made available to elders, or on request.

press releases issued by the watch tower society's office of public information confirm that if a person accused of molestation repeatedly denies the charges of his victim, and there is no other witness to the incident, "the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time", but would report to authorities if required by local laws.

our families jehovahs witnesses and child protection.

andrekish

Locally, area and names withheld, the elder in charge of investigating this type of abuse was the very person doing it for almost 40 years. None of the abused dare speak out.

Have to admit that this area is a minefield so to anyone who has ever been at the bad end of this type of stuff I can only say 'keep cheerful if you can and if you are currently being abused please tell some-one who you can trust.' There seem to be wolves everywhere.

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Do current JWs like to have Bible discussions?

by Magnum in

on another thread rufus t. firefly made this interesting comment:.

my wife is a "zealous" regular pioneer who never talks about the bible or "the truth" and who has no interest in conducting a bible study with anyone.

this is how one remains a jw.. i decided to start a new thread to discuss this, since i didn't want to veer completely off the topic of the original thread.. i can relate to what rufus said - not concerning my wife, but other close jw family members.

andrekish

Hello. Hope I'm not speaking out of turn here since I never actually joined the WTBS so I may be unqualified to say the following:

I have a feeling that the message distribution methods, ie, Watchtower and Awake plus associated published materials are a little out of date as a medium these days. Very few youngsters want to pick up a magazine or leaflet or even a book since modern media is internet and video/social media driven. In today's world if a person says 'verse this and chapter' they get very little further attention. I cannot help but wonder how this affects the young JWs since the info they require is generally in a format that is considered 'Old Fashioned' and irrelevant. It won't make the young JWs appear anything but boring and out of touch to their peers. This may be part of the reasons that youngsters in the JW congregation are hesitant to speak.

It could be that a radical overhaul of the way the information available to Witnesses is needed. I recently noticed cartoons and videos on the JW Broadcasting channel so the organisation is slowly updating but could be far more interactive online - ie, publish all materials online so that we can all see what they are talking about. There is very little info about the king of the north/south etc, etc, online yet in a modern format that young Witnesses would feel proud to show their friends. I'm not trying to overly moan at the JW Old-Guard here - they can't help being old, can they? I do think they need radical modernisation though, and a vast amount of greater transparency.

It would be great to see a pioneer in the street with a tablet PC given the huge amount of info available online. All queries and debates could be thoroughly investigated with any curious person and the truth of the words that Witnesses speak can be verified or dismissed. Witnesses appear to have very little training in modern day witnessing. At their disposal is the greatest information online database humanity has ever had at it's disposal but I have yet to see any JW using modern technology to get their message across. They seem scared of it's ability to corrupt them.

No wonder they keep quiet.

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Why I Love Christmas

by andrekish in

i love celebrating something with goodness at its' true core, even christmas.

some would condemn me for this but that is their concern, not mine.. i think satan is real and i think father christmas and santa claus are like satan's claws at this time of year 'coz we all go bonkers and buy everything in site and overdo things totally.

but that's not christmas to me.

andrekish

I love celebrating something with goodness at its' true core, even Christmas. Some would condemn me for this but that is their concern, not mine.

I think Satan is real and I think Father Christmas and Santa Claus are like Satan's claws at this time of year 'coz we all go bonkers and buy everything in site and overdo things totally.

But that's not Christmas to me. I learned about the true spirit of Christmas as a child and it will never wane in me. Christmas is a time of joy and peace and wonder. It is a time when the humans who recall the wonder they felt as a child try to provide this feeling in their kids. But then so many silly beggars go and swamp their dear little ones with all sorts of crap they do not need in their young lives. Or even worse, celebrate Christmas but fail to teach their kids what it is all about. Jesus was born one day a while back and that's very nice but I wasn't there so take it on advice from others and refuse to fight over it. So to wish happy birthday to Christ I raise a glass and say thank you. I would to anyone who took a bullet for me, on every occassion I could.

Kids should know a feeling like Christmas Eve, the joy of expectation. It will prepare them for what follows the coming apocalypse. Then it will truly be Christmas Eve, when all of our hopes are fulfilled and when our dead folk come back to prepare for Christmas Day.

The day after Christ hands back his kindgom to his Creator and those of us, possibly most of us once will see for ourselves, after this coming apocalypse, that this is actually for real. And from then on every day will be just like Christmas Day. And then we can all celebrate properly because there will be peace among men of goodwill. I have here no delusions of grandeur nor ego. I genuinely think this is gonna happen for real but I may not live to see it happen 'coz I'm just a speck of dust in the wind. A tiny mind in an ocean of humanity, worth no more than that

This world today, is on the eve of a proper Christmas Eve, falsely celebrating Christmas-Online.com. So I put up the lights and decorations to remind me of what is to come.

This is not contrary to the teachings of the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society, but permits me to decorate my home for my disabled wife (non Jehovah's Witness) and not go crazy 'coz some-one thinks from afar that I can't be trusted. Instead I will guard my heart above all things - even some of the doctrines of others and enjoy each year the almost-peace that occurs on earth every 25th December. I remember being told about peace on earth as a little child and it sounded great.

So I don't celebrate a pagan festival, nor a commercial one. I celebrate the future when every knee will bow at a certain name. And I am convinced that when the prophecies of the old scrolls are fulfilled everyone will be glad to be alive.

And that is what Christmas should be about so it is in my house 'coz even the most fanatical evangelists from whatever group can't argue against that or else they are misquoting a Bible.

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How to Wear a Pinkie Ring, by Stephen Lett, Governing Body Member

by Oubliette in

always the fashionista amongst the governing body members, mr. stephen lett recently showed us how even an older man can display a certain swagger, a certain je nesais quoi that says, "i'm one of the anointed, and you're not!".

he does this in so many ways, but the one i want to draw our attention to is the way he rocked the theocratic fashion world with his wearing of a very manly pinkie ring in a recent wtbts video.. - -.

stephen lett of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses demonstrating how to wear a pinkie ring.

andrekish

Hi folks. If anyone gives a hoot this guy cheers me up. Every time he says the name 'Jehovah' he cheers me up. Every time he smiles he cheers me up. Look into his eyes and you can see he is a caring person. I cannot imagine a man of this calibre ever picking up a gun. If he goes beyond this earth then jolly good luck to him. When I first saw him I thought how kind so speak slowly and clearly so I could hear him and have time to consider his words.

If ever you read this, Mr. Letts - thank you and well done. And if you ever do get beyond this earth to help us sort out all of this mess then do remember not to get big headed by what I'm saying, Bro, eh? I live in the middle of Brighton, England, where loads of people wear rings of their little fingers and they're not monsters so please don't let those moaning minnies put you out of stride but popping of at you - as if they'd got their own houses in order yet.

And this might sound daft but just looking to the future here. If I am ever truly lucky enough to walk this planet forever, Mr. Letts, and let's suppose you get to live beyond this earth, can I apply for a useful job helping to clear up the mess once the smoke clears? The sort of job that allows me to properly do to others as I want them to do to me. Can't do it properly at the moment because we are all of us up to our earholes in rubbish of our own making. Put in a word for me, will you?

There are loads of you folks out there who've gone and got the right needle with the organisation that is supposed to be looking after you. From what I've been reading over the years on this site I really do not blame any of you. You are quite often right, except for the rude bits 'coz they're just spouting off 'coz you are pissed off wiv' them back at HQ and what they've maybe convinced your families to do to you. If that's the case remind them of a message that's written to all of us below.

I'm not an official Witness, they won't let me in 'coz they is a snobby bunch of buggers here in the south of England. So I suppose I'm undercover,eh? That's what my mate said recently when we was having a joint. I was baptised as a Mormon, oh fekk, oh fekk, and other oh fekk for good measure. They're a mad bunch of so and so's as well - and here I'm being polite. Perhaps they've had their brains embalmed a bit early in case there is ever a rush. When they got their heads together on official business behind the scenes their mad views and demands almost led to the suicide of a very good friend who is a lass who likes other lasses. It was my job to take the minutes at these meeting, so I'm well aware of what these silly buggers convince themselves is scriptural. I picked up a book of scripture and laid those idiots to rest in one swipe and sorted my friend's head out at the same time. The Mormon organisation has lost it's way but seems to have remembered compassion so very well done to them. I'm not a Mormon now though, they chucked me out, thank heavens, if only for their own sakes 'coz I can't take fools gladly, neither have I officially got involved with the local Witnesses organisation 'coz when men get together with a book of ethics/morals/politics/economics or whatever, it goes to their bleeding heads, the silly buggers. I've seen it time and time again. There seems to be a sort of collective over-ride at times when people get their heads together on official business. Their brains seem to go kapput and smoke comes out. Then they open their gobs and shite comes out. So, I cannot be officially thrown out of this organisation - which incidently does bloody good work at times - since I never officially joined. I daren't. I don't wish to embrace the kind of madness that demands other people do as I jolly well tell them, or else they ain't going to heaven type stuff. Where do these folk get off?

I was baptised as per the words used by Mormons and Witnesses and I stick to that principle. I'm not out to convert anyone to anything 'coz I'm just one in 7 billion - dust in the end. I'm an amazing biological machine, however, with a message stuck in it. I've seen this message in all religions, all cultures and all peoples and this is the message of the Bible and is what Christ told us was rather important because it goes way beyond religion and how we have been mistreated by others in the past. It goes beyond the pain and suffering we all feel right now. It is this message that raises man from animal, from dirt to nobility.

Whether anyone ever goes near any Witnesses again, outta disappointment with the people and their silly ways or outta contempt for them if that is what you have. This message must continue inside you if mankind is ever gonna improve.

Do unto others as you would have them do to you. End of message.

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How can a "God, who Cannot Lie" (Titus 1:2) justify DESTRUCTION?

by fedup in

i was raised as a jw, most of my family is still in, i regular pioneered for 5 years, elder for even longer.

preached for over 40 years that the 1914 generation will see the end, etc, etc... believed every single word, and preached it with total conviction.. i have not been active for approx 7 years, completely faded now, mainly because i couldn't believe a loving god would destroy me, after coming to terms with and admiting i was preaching a lie.. i'm extremely happy i'm out, although still hitched to it somehow by my past, i guess like many of us on here.. i do have a question for all jws.. how can "god, who cannot lie" a god which is love, justify destroying the world, including all of us that left, and saving only the jws, when for decades one of the main teachings of the jws has proved to be a lie?

a teaching no one wants to discuss anymore, which got covered up by a new light, which most can't even explain.

andrekish

One additional thought.....It isn't JWs alone who are crazy at times.....we all are.

But I have to admit after watching them for years from near & far. They can really mess up your head.

I saw the Mormons do exactly the same. They asked me to collect the weekly tithes (10% please) even from Granny Smith who hasn't got a penny. Being a wonderful warm human being I told the Mormons to go & have a bit of a rethink. Maybe some of the precepts and ideas currently at large among JWs could do with a rethink on the grounds of simple compassion & humanity. But they mean well, they're just a bit confused.com at the moment with their heads always stuck in their books. Maybe they could look up from their studies sometimes and actually see the world for themselves rather than through the eyes of a group of men in NY.

Silly buggers the lot of them.

Their books say: 'Above all things guard your heart'.

Their works seem to say 'Do as we say or else you are gonna fry.'

We humans is a right silly load of idiots aren't we?

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How can a "God, who Cannot Lie" (Titus 1:2) justify DESTRUCTION?

by fedup in

i was raised as a jw, most of my family is still in, i regular pioneered for 5 years, elder for even longer.

preached for over 40 years that the 1914 generation will see the end, etc, etc... believed every single word, and preached it with total conviction.. i have not been active for approx 7 years, completely faded now, mainly because i couldn't believe a loving god would destroy me, after coming to terms with and admiting i was preaching a lie.. i'm extremely happy i'm out, although still hitched to it somehow by my past, i guess like many of us on here.. i do have a question for all jws.. how can "god, who cannot lie" a god which is love, justify destroying the world, including all of us that left, and saving only the jws, when for decades one of the main teachings of the jws has proved to be a lie?

a teaching no one wants to discuss anymore, which got covered up by a new light, which most can't even explain.

andrekish

Hiya.

Maybe we've all got lost in the confusion that men create by us all having different ideas & opinions. And maybe some folk want to fight over them.

For example a generation that doesn't pass away could perhaps refer to longevity caused by modern medicines. This is just a simple daft idea among the mass of ideas in the madcap brains of 7 billion humans, not any statement of fact.

But imagine what would happen if one country created a pill that enabled people to live for a thousand years. Based on today's standards those without money would be left to rot, just as theyare now, & that would be a prime reason for war since we humans do seem to love a good fight.

This is only one possible interpretation of some of the scriptures & is probably wrong, but who actually knows that it is wrong? Once we start taking the words and ideas so seriously that we fight over them we prove ourselves unworthy of any future life on this planet.

Once we humans start playing with explosives & creating stars on the surface of this planet at the same time as thinking our brother humans from that bit of land over there are less than human it isn't actually the creator who is causing the destruction, it's us lot.

One more thought in the mix....given that no energy can ever be wasted only transformed and the same applies more or less to physical matter this isn't actually destruction. Destruction is a human perpective. We could just as easily say God allows the re-arrangement of matter. That's a far nicer way of looking at it.

Larsinger - you are spot on in your analysis. Not everyone will want to live forever. Not everyone should be allowed to live forever for the sake of those who do want to. Few are good willed enough toward their fellow humans to be able to put up with each other for eternity.

But, someday in the future this planet will be a paradise. And if you want to find out if there actually is a God or not go and buy yourself a OiuJa board & watch the sparks fly. That isn't an opinion, it is a fact. I do know because I've done it. What happened defied all physical laws.

I do believe in God now.

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Complaints About My False Eyelashes at the Hall. WEARING THEM EVEN BIGGER TONIGHT.

by OneStepOut93 in

okay so i like dramatic lashes.

and my grandma told me all the women are complaining about them being a distraction.

well all i have to say to them is "kiss my ass".

andrekish

Good for you.

Go let them have your new lashes.

Give them something to tutt about.

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what ever happened to the king of the north and king of south?

by nowwhat? in

after the daniel book came out, nothing has ben said about it in at least 10 years.

did that prohecy get thrown out the window when the soviet union fell?.

andrekish

Hiya Vidqun,

'I personally believe the book, or parts of it, to have been written by a Jewish exile, called Daniel. The majority of it contains prophecy and is definitely worth my while to study.'

I think you are on the right track. And you don't ever have to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses to understand that.

I keep seeing images in my head that later happen and it happens time and time and time again. I have no explanation for it other than esp which is probably common to humanity, 'coz I'm no prophet given visions by the Creator, who I'm absolutely convinced actually exists.

I genuinely think Daniel saw what he says he saw. And the other prophets. Can't help thinking that 'coz of what I keep seeing.

I'm waiting for the apocalypse, not because some-one argues the case and details of ancient prophesy but 'coz it's coming.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Ain't The Wold's Only Nutters.

by andrekish in

one behalf of everyone who is mad on this planet i would like to apologise for us being mad and hope we all get better soon.. .

it isn't my fault that i'm mad.

my mum was mad.

andrekish

Hi. One behalf of everyone who is mad on this planet I would like to apologise for us being mad and hope we all get better soon.

It isn't my fault that I'm mad. My mum was mad. Aparently totally batty.

They told me so when I was young and then she died in the asylum after being there 20 odd years and went and became the last patient to die there
when it shut down. So there is a case history of practised madness to start with.

I met some Mormons and I became more mad. Fair enough, I'm game for anything usually especially if it involves other nutcases. But when they told
me God was a man who lived on the planet Kolob which is north by northwest in the skies over the UK at 3pm on September 19th I began to doubt
their scale of insanity. Never questioned my own, of course, what with my mum and all. I knew I was permitably mad, not that rubbish kind that silly kids come out with just to be stupid.. but properly mad just like my poor old mum. I keep seeing things in my head mad.

Then I met some of Jehovah's Witnesses. And I felt at home. At last I was back among madmen. Ah, the ecstacy, the bliss, the delusions, the
nightmares and that was just page one.

I truly don't have to explain the devotional madness of some of Jehovah's Witnesses 'coz they got the hump with me. I may well be clinically insane but even I can spot overdone fanactical devotion when I see it. And they are scarey, you have to admit. Trying to get you out in all weathers like that getting slowly nowhere.

It's just as well there will be others than the evangelisers, ie, teachers and prophets lots of other madmen on this planet. It would be a shame if the human race was devoid of madmen just before it all goes down the pan.

I know I am currently mad. I must be. I keep seeing things in my head, time and time and time again.

That later happen.

Never failed so far in 30 years. And the apocalypse is coming. Not because most of the witnesses are bonkers but because it always was from the moment we set our dainty little feet on this planet.

I'n not one of Jehovah's Witnesses but they aren't totally nuts. They know that it's time for man to change but it's already too late. The die is cast and the planet is rolling on to the point in time and space where things change. Sound's like there might be a bit of huffing and puffing about who is God, How, is God, Why is God and What Colour Tea Towel Does God Use while we wait but don't panic.

This madness will all be over soon.

Now that's MAD.