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  Elders Meeting funny moments

  by bj in

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  while checking on the un in the wts publication i came across a strange debate that is reported in the awake!-may 8, 1987,p.

  29 about drinking-water jugs.

  this reminded me in funny elders meeting moments.

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  One of our CO's was a big Detroit Pistons fan, and asked an MS to be sure and tape the game for him, because it was on during our servants meeting.

  That was many moons ago, and I moved out of the area (Los Angeles)soon after. I could be wrong but this same CO (perhaps a DO years later) was removed because he was caught or finally admitted that he had been consorting with prostitutes. Apparently he paid for this from gifts given to him by wealthier brothers. Does this ring a bell for anyone?

  When I asked the elder who told me this story how Jehovah could let something like this go on for so long, he said, "Sometimes Jehovah continues to use people, until they are used up...or something like that." Apparently he had a reputation as a fabulous public speaker and theocratic organization. Strange if true.

  Makena
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  Famous JW's

  by teenyuck in

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  just curious...does anyone know if there are any famous jw's?

  i have heard about the jackson family (michael, janet, etc.

  ) and prince, however, i have been unable to find any official web site information that confirms their beliefs.

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  Here are a few more:

  Wayne Henderson and Wilton Felder, formerly of the Jazz Crusaders.
  Wayne's son, Wayne Jr. studied briefly with Randy Jackson when Michael was still attending. George Benson attended while he was in town recording a new album - early 80's?

  I think it was Richard Pryor's 2nd wife? (Really reaching now....lol)

  Lynn Swan's wife, Bernadette studied and attended for quite awhile, but as far as I remember never got baptized. (reaching a bit further....)

  Al Kavelin - conducted the orchestra at Dodger Stadium for years and years - supposedly wrote the Doris Day hit, "Que Sera, Sera", but as I heard, he did not get credit for it. Also, supposedly wrote a song about the comic strip caveman, "Alley Oop" recorded by the Argyles in the 1960's. (how's that for obscure info...?)

  From the thread that Billygoat referenced above, Mulan wrote about the actress Donna Reed's son being a witness. She is correct except for the rumor that he passed away. He is very much alive, however, disassociated himself about 20 years ago. He was the best man at Sabine's and my wedding 27 years ago, and happily we have gotten back in touch and renewed our friendship after all these years.

  Peace,
  Makena
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  Prevalence of JW Suicides - Real or Imagined?

  by AMNESIAN in

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  in one or two recent threads i've seen reference to the possibility of a rising number of jw suicides being another of the organization's very dark realities about which it is vigilant in keeping concealed from its pub populace.

  is there anyone reasonably informed regarding this?

  is there reason to suppose the incidence ratio among jws is any higher than among any peoples/religion?

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  Wanna and others, from my experience, I would have to agree that suicide, depression etc., has a higher than usual percentage among JW's.

  After our daughter's suicide (21 years old, pioneer 4 years - leaving out details for another time), I was surprised at the time how many came and privately told me that they had considered, attempted or knew of a number of friends and relatives who had committed suicide. About 20 years ago, one of my best JW friends from childhood, hung himself. He was diagnosed manic-depressive at the time, but did not follow up on therapy or take the prescribed medication.

  Eusebius post sums up several books and articles that helped our family understand this terrible tragedy better.
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=11287&site=3#136728

  Please, please, please pay attention to the warning signs!

  Peace,
  Makena
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  What is going ON?

  by Aintthatcute in

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  first of all: i am new and have been lurking for about 2 weeks.

  whoow!

  glad i got that out of the way.. something that really bothers me is: when they say that the gb all the way down, elders, and ministerial servents are "appointed" by jehovah, and are deserving of "double honor".

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  AlanF - thanks for stating so clearly what first opened up my eyes to the tip of the iceberg.

  You said, "Most JWs, including elders, don't understand the belief. They interpret the phrase "appointed by holy spirit" literally, and such elders are sometimes convinced that God actively helps them make decisions. This extends all the way back to the Governing Body, who are generally convinced that they are for all practical purposes inspired."

  Raised a JW, I was so naive, and was totally convinced that I would see real HS in action once I got the ticket into the back "board room". What a terrible disappointment, especially when it came time to review new candidates for appointment, and being a part of JC meetings.

  What I found to be even more revealing about the arrangement was what was said outside the "boardroom", especially when a group of elders were the only ones in the car group for service, letting their "hair down" etc. Made the bad rap the sisters have for gossip seem tame.

  However, I still reasonsed, it must be different with the GB and appointments at headquarters. Wrong! I read Crisis of Conscience - and another big bubble burst, followed by examining origins of doctrines, discrepancies in WTBS research and articles.

  Reading the candid posts from those who have had heart to heart talks with active CO's and DO's adds more evidence that the WTBS is no different than any of the other religions that they put down and try to expose. The few beliefs that are unique to the witnesses (whether one still clings to them or not) are not enough to justify IMHO the record of hypocrisy and abuse.

  Peace,
  Makena
  Slowly pulling my head out of my a** after 40+ years.
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  Can You Get DF'd If You....

  by Englishman in

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  have sex with a blow-up doll?.

  englishman.. nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

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  Englishman - as a former untrained clergy, I need more information.
  How many times did you have sex?
  Was anything besides the missionary position used?
  Are you turning yourself in, or is your partner wanting to confess?
  Did anyone else see you? (reproved before all onlookers - how do you write a special needs talk on this subject....?)
  Are you both repentant?

  Fess up - you know the drill...
  ROTFLMAO

  Makena
  Pass me that Guiness! :)
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  The Hypocrisy of the Governing Body

  by radar in

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  if the rank and file members of jehovahs witnesses reject the watchtower's thinking on bible doctrine in some way, they are considered apostate.. yet the governing body of j.ws, themselves have rejected teachings of previous governing body members who have long since died and have proceeded to change interpreatation on things many times over,from russell to fred franz.

  guess what they call it..........apostasy?.

  no, this is called new light.. .

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  Englishman - your animated character is new right? Love it - although after watching it, had to rush out at lunch and down a pint of Guiness.

  Redhook brewery makes a double black stout that has Starbucks coffee brewed in it. Tasty stuff.
  Salud!

  Makena
  When it comes to ales, stouts, etc., the darker and nastier the better!
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  Another Celebration by jWs of Death

  by Tallyman in

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  * http://www.intrex.net/talley/jw_joy09.html.

  notice how very clean these jehovah's witnesses are as they laugh.

  and romp away from a scene of utter devastation of life & property.... and compare their cleanliness to the appearance of those frantic.

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  Tallyman - correct me if I am wrong, but perhaps they look so clean because their robes have been washed white in the blood of the lamb. Rev chap 7?

  I get your point - however, I use sarcasm and poor attempts at humor to control my anger.

  Peace,
  Makena
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  THIS got WT Leaders thrown in Jail

  by Tallyman in

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  how many of you were aware that watchtower leaders were .

  charged with, tried and convicted of sedition.

  during world war i ?.

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  Tallyman wrote: Point I was making is that ANY time in a Federal Penitentiary is "Hard" time. That Atlanta Jail in 1917-18 was no country club.
  Part of those 9 months of their confinement was during winter months
  and Rutherford caught a case of pneumonia, from which he never
  fully recovered. Later, when he was released, he Vowed Revenge against those who were behind convicting him... something about wanting to take a sword and plunge it into someone's belly and until "Eglon's Excrement" flowed out... (I'd have to look that up)

  Tallyman: I am sure you are right that the prison system in Atlanta in the early 1900's was no countryclub. The pneumonia episode was another that had slipped my mind.

  Thanks Moxy for recalling where I probably read that quote about the tennis game and JFR's worries about his position. Based on your input, I am imagining the prison experience somewhere between "Cool Hand Luke" (what we have here is a failure to communicate) and a prison that happened to have tennis courts? I am not minimizing their confinement - just wanted to refresh my mind with some details that have become rather foggy.

  Interesting posts everyone!!
  Mak
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  My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"

  by Ranchette in

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  well, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.

  i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.

  i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.

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  Ranchette: thanks for sharing the letter from your mom. Spiritual blackmail and threats - sounds familiar - perhaps your mom knows my dad?
  While still an elder (with examplary Jdub family to boot) I wrote him regarding a family dispute, and received this reply: "Do what you have to do, but Jehovah will judge between us." End of story. Basically sounded like he was handing me over to Satan?

  Its tragic how many otherwise decent people are cut from the same judgmental clothe that the WT has brainwashed them into wearing. Sorry you and so many others have to deal with this.

  Best wishes,
  Makena
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  THIS got WT Leaders thrown in Jail

  by Tallyman in

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  how many of you were aware that watchtower leaders were .

  charged with, tried and convicted of sedition.

  during world war i ?.

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  Tallyman wrote: They served 9 months of HARD Time in the Federal Pen in Atlanta, GA with the 2nd President of the Watchtower society,
  Joseph Franklin "Judge" Rutherford serving as the Chief Jailbird.

  Good post -interesting previously unknown details!

  My question on the above quote - I thought I read somewhere (the 1975 Yearbook??) that they really did not do HARD time - breaking rocks etc., but had access to tennis courts and such? More of a minimum security, country club confinement. Hopefully someone can set me straight on this minor detail.

  Peace,
  Makena