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  2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

  by Witness 007 in

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  1914 generation is long gone.

  1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

  i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

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  evilone

  Hi. I haven’t posted anything in a long, long time. But this discussion got me thinking.

  As others have said here, I agree that the GB both doesn’t care about 1914, and they don’t have to care because the average dub either doesn’t know about the problem, and the few that do will never admit it. That said, the idea that the Borg needs to get more “bums on seats” just to survive is a valid point. I think that eventually, maybe 10 – 20 years from, now when the attendees at the halls are almost exclusively elderly people then the GB might finally feel desperate enough to make changes. I wouldn’t put it past them to put a paywall on jw.org thus requiring “active publishers” to pay up every month. Taking it a step further they could call a “returning to Jehovah” and invite all of those who have been “led astray” (disfellowshipped, disassociated, inactive etc.) to “come home.” It could be a combination of not only an amnesty program but also a blackmail trick to get people to pay up at the website.

  Also, if the GB decides that they do care about the whole 1914 problem, they could just set a new date for Armageddon that is far enough out, like say the year 2150, so that no one on the current GB has to answer for a failed prediction. Instead they could tell all of the obedient dubs that its there job to prepare all of humanity for the end of the world.
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  Disassociation

  by evilone in

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  hi all, i haven't posted here in quite some time.. just as an update, about two years ago, my wife and i moved to a big city about 500 miles away from the town in which we grew up.

  we made this move in part to expedite the fading process, which was successful.

  when we moved, as i described in an earlier post, we formally transferred from our home cong (where our families are) to a local cong in our new city, and then transferred twice more so as to get lost in the shuffle.

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  For anyone who has sucessfully faded and has been out for a long time, do you ever get to a point at which you're just plain forgotten by the borg? Or are you just considered "inactive" forever?

  I just want to be a member of the gerneral public.
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  Disassociation

  by evilone in

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  hi all, i haven't posted here in quite some time.. just as an update, about two years ago, my wife and i moved to a big city about 500 miles away from the town in which we grew up.

  we made this move in part to expedite the fading process, which was successful.

  when we moved, as i described in an earlier post, we formally transferred from our home cong (where our families are) to a local cong in our new city, and then transferred twice more so as to get lost in the shuffle.

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  evilone

  There's always these two options.

  1. If they contact you, tell them you have not been around because you are depressed over money problems, then ask them for an interest free loan.

  2. If that doesn't work.......fake demon possession.

  Maybe another option woud be to move further away. When does human colonization of Mars begin?
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  Disassociation

  by evilone in

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  2. friends

  hi all, i haven't posted here in quite some time.. just as an update, about two years ago, my wife and i moved to a big city about 500 miles away from the town in which we grew up.

  we made this move in part to expedite the fading process, which was successful.

  when we moved, as i described in an earlier post, we formally transferred from our home cong (where our families are) to a local cong in our new city, and then transferred twice more so as to get lost in the shuffle.

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  OK, advice taken, we won't disassociate.

  The problem is that our current cong has our new home address. When we were in our first apartment, the borg had the wrong address, but my mother-in-law gave them our correct address. We moved from the first apartment to a new location, all while changing congs and for a time neither our new cong or our old cong knew where we were living. However the borg found us again theough the help of our former landlady. Our first apartment a small multi-unit building and the owners lived in one of the units. When the KGB came knocking the landlandy, who is a very nice person, was so kind to give them our new address and my cell phone number (meaning my REAL phone number that I use for work). Being contacted by these people is irritating, and I just want it to be over. Its clear to me now that disassociation is not a viable oprion, but I am just trying to find a way to be left alone.
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  Disassociation

  by evilone in

  1. jw
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  hi all, i haven't posted here in quite some time.. just as an update, about two years ago, my wife and i moved to a big city about 500 miles away from the town in which we grew up.

  we made this move in part to expedite the fading process, which was successful.

  when we moved, as i described in an earlier post, we formally transferred from our home cong (where our families are) to a local cong in our new city, and then transferred twice more so as to get lost in the shuffle.

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  evilone

  Hi all, I haven't posted here in quite some time.

  Just as an update, about two years ago, my wife and I moved to a big city about 500 miles away from the town in which we grew up. We made this move in part to expedite the fading process, which was successful. When we moved, as I described in an earlier post, we formally transferred from our home cong (where our families are) to a local cong in our new city, and then transferred twice more so as to get “lost in the shuffle.” The last cong to which we transferred is in a large KH with multiple congregations, and I am assuming our publisher’s cards are in the inactive file. Being that we are presently inactive and we don’t really know anybody at the hall or any other dubs in this area, does anybody here think we could get away writing formal letters of disassociation to our current cong without our “home” cong (and therefore possibly our families) being notified? It sure would be nice to formally disassociate both because we would no longer have to wonder if someone might try to visit us or contact us in some other way in an attempt to bring us “back to Jehovah.” Also we would both like to disassociate as a matter of principle, but just without the family fallout.

  Thanks in advance for the replies.
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  How many have moved away?

  by evilone in

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  in an earlier post i talked about the fact that my wife and i were moving far, far away from the city in which we grew up.

  well, the move was successful we're loving our new city and new jobs.

  the congregation to which our publishers cards were sent doesnt have our correct home address and as a result no one has knocked on our door (i highly recommend getting a p.o.

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  For those of us who have moved far away from home, I think we started out thinking that moving would be an effective way to fade but as I said earlier, once you move such a great distance from family, you might as well be df'd and shunned anyway. Once you get to your new home you wind up starting a whole new life that just doesn't include your family. In reality moving away is really about clearing your head and making a clean break. It’s easy to get past the guilt when you never see any other dubs. It’s only been a few months since we moved, but its already getting to the point that when I’m driving and I pass a KH or I see dubs out in filed service it all looks foreign too me. I already can’t imagine going back. I don’t think my wife is that far along yet but she’s getting there; she has agreed to get a Christmas tree!
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  How many have moved away?

  by evilone in

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  in an earlier post i talked about the fact that my wife and i were moving far, far away from the city in which we grew up.

  well, the move was successful we're loving our new city and new jobs.

  the congregation to which our publishers cards were sent doesnt have our correct home address and as a result no one has knocked on our door (i highly recommend getting a p.o.

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  In an earlier post I talked about the fact that my wife and I were moving far, far away from the city in which we grew up. Well, the move was successful we're loving our new city and new jobs. The congregation to which our publisher’s cards were sent doesn’t have our correct home address and as a result no one has knocked on our door (I highly recommend getting a P.O. Box). For a while my wife getting harassed by her mother on the phone, but that problem has subsided because my wife doesn’t talk to her mother very often anymore. This all makes me wonder how many faders pick up and leave town the way we did. While it has worked well for us, moving away is quite a drastic undertaking just to leave a religion. While the physical distance makes it easy to move on from the borg, it also has the effect of almost ending contact with family; it’s like shunning in reverse. There really is no point in trying to communicate with brainwashed family members because all they want to do is pester you about “coming back to Jehovah.” Has anyone else here has a similar experience?
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  Questions for former elders.

  by evilone in

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  i have a few questions regarding moving and changing congs.

  i would love to hear from former elders.. .

  my wife and i will be moving soon, and as i described in an earlier post we will be using the move as an opportunity to fade.

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  The Oracle: What this means for you is - after you move, do not speak about your former life as a JW to anyone.

  I was thinking about this statement today. We’ll take your advice and be careful not to let on about our past, but I have to wonder even if a local cong finds out that we are former dubs it really doesn’t matter as long as they don’t know were we originally came from. After all, if say someday 10 years from now we move to Houston, TX and the elders at the local cong identify us as former dubs, make up cards and then declare us DA or DF it really doesn’t matter because who in Houston will shun us? As long as the elders in Houston don’t know where we’re from they can’t notify our old cong back in “St Louis” and our families will never be told to shun us.
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  Questions for former elders.

  by evilone in

  1. jw
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  i have a few questions regarding moving and changing congs.

  i would love to hear from former elders.. .

  my wife and i will be moving soon, and as i described in an earlier post we will be using the move as an opportunity to fade.

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  evilone

  Me: The sad fact is that while your sitting there going through the motions in the KH you know that at least half of the people around you have the same doubts you do, its just that we're all afraid to say anything.

  sabastious: Is this an exaggeration? Are people really starting to wake up?

  Maybe that was a bit of an overstatement on my part. However, I have had doubts for a very long time and I think the same could be said of my wife, my siblings and my parents. So that’s at least 6 people that have had varying levels of disbelief at various times but were afraid to express that disbelief. Now 6 people does not necessarily translate to 50% of active dubs, but it tells you that there must be more than 6 people who are there out of fear, and not belief.
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  Questions for former elders.

  by evilone in

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  i have a few questions regarding moving and changing congs.

  i would love to hear from former elders.. .

  my wife and i will be moving soon, and as i described in an earlier post we will be using the move as an opportunity to fade.

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  Yes, sister x I had an idea like that. I thought about trying to find a cong that is dominated by an ethnic and/or racial group that is significantly different than our own background. My theory is that there would be a cultural disconnect between us and the new cong which would make it easier for us to disappear.