The one thing I want to ask a jdub, if I ever have the chance to talk to one, is "what has the organization gotten right"?
When I was in that we predicited 1914 was always the anchor and we could overlook the other mistakes and changes.
just come off the phone to my mum.
she asked me why i da'd from the wtbts, she'd been to the meeting this morning and she'd been at the bottle as well - not a good combo, for her, anyway.. i said i did'nt want to go into it too much, as i may stumble her.
she kept pushing so i said, last year i was'nt happy about the overlapping generation doctrine and did'nt agree that the org had taken bits out of the nwt.
The one thing I want to ask a jdub, if I ever have the chance to talk to one, is "what has the organization gotten right"?
When I was in that we predicited 1914 was always the anchor and we could overlook the other mistakes and changes.
a cuneiform tablet from around 1750bce describes a noah type named atra-hasis building a 2/3rds stadium size round ark to save humans and animals from the gods wrath.
one of the gods, enki, informs atra of the other gods plans along with how-to instructions.. www.haaretz.com under archeology.. why couldn't we have had a god named enki, is that cool or what.... .
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Enki is from Sumerian mythology, I haven't read up on that in quite a while, might be time to dust off that chestnut.
They were quite smart or maybe "educated", perhaps by extra terestrials??? (one of the more interesting interpretations of the bible I have found)
http://www.stopnwo.com/enki.html
Along with a lot of other forward thinking ideas, I belive they thought the earth was round, or at least a half globe, long before other people figured it out.
i am presently fadding out and a person that i know sent me an email telling me he was going back to his meeting.
how can i let him know that i think he probably will be better outside if he keeps trying without running the risk that he goes back and forward the email to a local elder?.
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Will they have to pay attention at the meetings? If so that was one of the things that finially woke me up.
Meetings while DFed were so hard to sit through when I had nothing to do but listen to them.
i would like your opinions on a subject raised on another thread.
here are some statements that i made regarding "blind obedience.".
1) dd: " how would counter what paul wrote about being obedient to those taking the lead?
The problem is that the bible can be use to prove just about anything.
i'm new here, i pretty much created this account cause i couldn't find the answer to my question.
and my question is, can jw eat halal and kosher meat?
i was searching online but all i found was that jw dont have any food restrictions besides consuming blood.. if someone can answer my question, please and thank u!.
Could an argument be made that the religious requirements for food to meet Jewish Kosher and Muslim Halal standards is a kind of FALSE "religious blessing" on the food?
Interesting point, I don't ever remember that being discussed. We always used to use Kosher wine and unlevened bread for the memorial.
my son, went to college and got his bachelors degree.
he started his own anmation company about two years ago, and it really has taken off.. while my wife and i were witnesses, we both received grief about allowing our son to go to college, but we stood up for him and backed his decision to attend 110%.. anyway, this past week he finally closed on a very nice, neat condiminium .. and while he is getting ready to move out on his own, i have quite a few feelings of sadness,as a parent, seeing him move on is kinda rough, but realizing that this is a very good thing for him makes it easier.
he will only be about 7 miles away.
They have no natural affection.
And if they had any residual love left over the borg systematically takes it away.
You aren't allowed to do any of the normal things to show your children you love them. Such as Xmas and the birthday restriction is beyond ridiculous.
Yea I'm sure Jehovah put those examples in the bible to warn you against celebrate the miracle of birth.
I'm pretty sure those scriptures are better explained with a Dave Barry quote:
"There comes a time when you should stop expecting other people to
make a big deal about your birthday. That time is: age 11."
And you spend your whole time in the borg being suspicious of everyone.
I was always afraid to get close to anyone, I knew that any day I might be told never to speak to them again.
fine.
holy spirit appointed overseers to shepherd?
6:1, 2; jude 22) are these not good reasons for being obedient to those who are taking the lead?read hebrews 13:17.. .
sauloftarsus, I'm pretty sure you are just here to cause trouble but that's ok i'll bite.
no instruction should be given or accepted by anyone
The major difference is that the organizations you mention don't generally require blind obediance where the JWs do.
If a Catholic taks negative about the church in public two men don't show up at your house and threaten to cut you off from all your friends and family.
Even if you get kicked out of the church your friends and family are not instructed to have nothing to do with you under the threat of losing their friends and family.
That being said I think that most of the world is under some sort of mind control. Not in the we are all zombies kind of way, but I think that the goverments know a lot of things that they are not telling us and that they use information to control the masses.
Come on! How is it that the entire world thinks that working 40 hours a week, for 40 or 50 years to make someone else rich is a good idea?
I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist though
here's a few from me.. no more having to go to stupid boring meetings.. no more having to go knock on doors in field service and waste my time!.
no more mind numbing elders meetings..
Oral sex.
went out with a good friend in service this morning.
my spouse and kiddos joined us.
me and my spouse are awake jws, have gotten over the initial shock and disgust with some of the lame wt doctrine, and are determined to let god direct us wherever he may (even to another church - i'm going to a baptist service tommorow).. we have fun doing a little bit of service with the kiddos, letting them watch deer, play with sticks, and write not-at-homes down.
I've known a few people I supected were there just because they liked something about being a JW rather than actualy believing it.
On the same line of reasoning I have often wondered about the mormons too. What possess smart educated people to believe that stuff.
these guys believe that they are running and directing "god's organization" and it is all based on some flimsy parable interpetation about a master who left a slave in charge while he went away with the outcome uncertain upon his return.
not a very solid case to be pointedly honest.
jesus would have made a better choice of donald trump to run his father's business/watchtower corporation, he's less arrogant and doesn't discourage higher education, and plastic children's toys are not a major concern of his.. what is arrogance?.
Anthony Morris's Homophobe speech to his Italian Corporation publishers may indicate that he is a gay male in denial.
You might just be right, what you hate can say a lot about you. And he did make a comment about the other brother's body so obviously he was looking.
I also find those tight jeans rather disgusting but I just figured it was because I'm getting old and bitter
And what is up with metrosexual? That went out about 5 years ago didn't it?