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  jws deny shunning, yet lie to not look bad

  by Ghiagirl in

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  2. experiences

  i recently decided to take matters into my own hands with my husbands family who have nothing to do with us.

  his mom has seen my son twice since he has been born and his dad has never met him.

  his family will pop in every few months, on top of that like in my last post ask for for money.

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  alcyone

  re shunning

  there is kind of external / internal doctrine of shunning:

  External: We shun murderers, thieves, ... according to the Bible principles. We do not break families, normal family relationship continues. see here: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/
  

  this is what they pretend toward the public.

  Internal: see the paragraph 7 here: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016127
  

  This is what the org teaches in the meetings, talk, conventions.
  

  They can always try to trick somebody and pick the right version based on audience.

  And I fully agree with Carla. Either they stop shunning or it is better not to allow grandchildren to spend time with them, They will try to instill Watchtower into the children' minds.
  
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  Updates to Public Talk Outlines 2 & 3

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  will you be a survivor of the last days?.

  serving with jehovah’s unified organization.

  move ahead with jehovah’s unified organization.

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  alcyone

  Now i see in my comment i looked to the old outline...

  anyway the new one - MOVE AHEAD WITH JEHOVAH’S UNIFIED ORGANIZATION - is also great:

  What evidence is there that Jehovah also directs the earthly part of his organization?
  Organizational refinements [Read Isaiah 60:17] (kr 120-125 ̊11-18)
  Numerical growth [Read Isaiah 60:22] (kr 96-97; statistics from the latest Yearbook)

  this is really the proof!
  
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  Updates to Public Talk Outlines 2 & 3

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  will you be a survivor of the last days?.

  serving with jehovah’s unified organization.

  move ahead with jehovah’s unified organization.

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  alcyone

  wifibandit, thank you for sharing these!

  
  It seems nice talks will be based on the new outlines

  Some become critical, saying that Jehovah does not have an organization
  May say that loving one’s fellowman is what really counts or that having a personal relationship with God is
  the really important thing or even that personally reading the Bible is sufficient (rs 326-8)
  Those who adopt such viewpoints are like Satan
  They break away from the Father, Jehovah (1Ti 1:19, 20; 2Ti 2:16-19)

  In other words they say Russell was like Satan when he broke from Barbour? When he said there is no organization?
  
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  Are you people the Watchtower?

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are you people 'the watchtower'?.

  no - we're an independent community site offering support for both current and former jehovah's witnesses and anyone else who has been affected by the beliefs, doctrines and practices of the jehovah's witness religion as governed by the watch tower bible and tract society (wtb&ts).. we are not affiliated with the wtb&ts in any way and we take your privacy and security very seriously doing our utmost to protect your identity and provide a friendly, tolerant and informative environment where you can ask questions, share information and make new friends.

  membership is completely free and anonymous so why not join toda.

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  alcyone

  These people are coming here to get rid of their doubts and to reaffirm they are in the truth.

  So they troll a bit, say some nonsense and when they get spanked, they say "bye bye you mentally sick apostates, i proved to myself you are not as loving as our clean organization"
  
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  organization obsesion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why are you guys so obsessed with organizations?

  there has to be order in the world and organised people!

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  alcyone

  one final thing!!! my wife loves ya

  Richard, talk to your elders and the CO, show them how you defend "the truth" on the Internet. They will love you too
  
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  "What IS True Love?" Watchtower Propaganda Review/Commentary

  by WatchtowerReviewz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my latest review for watchtower's most recent feature length propaganda film.

  (not safe if sober.).

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn6lxfw_qp8.

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  alcyone

  Enjoy Jonathan reading his book:

  http://bigworldnetwork.com/site/series/ahousedivided/

  I am surprised too they allowed him to be in the WTS drama. I am not saying he is doing anything against the WT teaching, but ... it is strange, the Society is usually avoiding things like this. To be a freelance author is definitely not an usual occupation for JW.
  

  Maybe in 2016 Serena Williams and Prince will play a pioneer couple in the new WTS video...
  
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  Amazing Growth! Jehovah Is Blessing The Preaching Work!

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today's text:.

  saturday, april 2. the little one will become a thousand.—isa.

  60:22.. perhaps we live in an area where there are few witnesses or where we do not see a lot of immediate results in our preaching work.

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  alcyone

  When JW's talk about India they forget to mention Seventh Day Adventists growth

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_India

  1.5 million members! i understand the counting method is different, but anyway... And SDAs were founded in the same time as the JWs. To talk about the growth and to skip discussion of similar groups is pointless.
  
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  Catholic encyclopedia misquote

  by alcyone in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i do not know if this misquote has been discussed here already.. new catholic encyclopedia says this about jw:.

  "judge" rutherford introduced important changes in the witnesses' creed and transformed the congregational structure of the sect as it was under "pastor" russell into a rigid theocracy.

  the third leader, "brother" nathan h. knorr, gradually replaced the offensive convert-making tactics of the rutherford era by suave manners that have gained the witnesses their current reputation as one of the best-behaved groups in the world.

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  alcyone

  I do not know if this misquote has been discussed here already.

  New Catholic Encyclopedia says this about JW:

  "Judge" Rutherford introduced important changes in the Witnesses' creed and transformed the congregational structure of the sect as it was under "Pastor" Russell into a rigid theocracy. The third leader, "Brother" Nathan H. Knorr, gradually replaced the offensive convert-making tactics of the Rutherford era by suave manners that have gained the Witnesses their current reputation as one of the best-behaved groups in the world.

  see here: http://www.encyclopedia.com/article-1G2-3407705846/jehovah-witnesses.html

  The statement is not very positive, is it? Watchtower being true to its reputation quote-mines it multiple times in the literature:

  *** g 4/07 p. 27 What Does It Mean to Be a Christian? ***
  For instance, the New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges that Jehovah’s Witnesses are known as “one of the best-behaved groups in the world.”
  

  I am wondering if there is even one example of WTS not quoting out of context.
  
  
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  Will the Borg ever do what the WCG did?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  whilst not endorsing any of the beliefs or doctrines of this group i found it really interesting that once herbert armstrong died it had a major overhaul of it's beliefs and practices (very similar in a cultish way to jws).

  apologising for it's errors and putting things right.

  it became less judgemental, more encompassing of other christian faiths.

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  alcyone

  Unfortunately WCG was in different setup than WTS.

  WCG was led by one person (Armstrong) and when he died it caused disruption in the organization's course. There was a new leadership (Tkach) that replaced the previous one. So J. Tkach was able to change their path. He was an absolute monarch.
  

  In contrast to WCG, WTS will not go through such disruption when a GB member dies. The politbyro simply appoints a new one and the rest of the GB continues to rule. If WTS is still one-man show as in the Rutherford era, probability new Caesar can make big changes would be much higher. They are now not able to make rapid / big changes comparable to what autocrats Rutherford & Knorr did when they took power.

  If the whole GB dies at one moment, then it would be a different story...
  
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  1933 Letter from JW's to Hitler and Nazi Party

  by kwr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was watching one of the extras on the knocking dvd and a woman commentator talked about a scandalous letter from the jw's to hitler and the nazi party in 1933. does anyone know where i can read this letter at?.

  tia.

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  alcyone

  One important statement from this letter is usually not brought to attention and I consider that statement to be extremely shocking.

  In some parts of the country measures are being taken against an association of earnest Christian men and women which has positive Christianity as its foundation.

  Maybe we do not see anything special in these words now, but Hitler and co. definitely did. JW's stated they are founded on the positive Christianity. The term "positive Christianity" was used by Nazis to describe some NS flavor of Christianity without the old testament and "Jewish influences".
  

  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
  

  It was mentioned also here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/239256/rutherfords-love-letter-hitler-remix