What is it? Amway? I'm sure Englishman will be chaffing at the bit..............
Marilyn
dear englishman.
friends of mine are driving up to exeter this coming friday.
i'd really like the opportunity of meeting up with you to discuss more fully the business initiatives which i have been working upon, please would that at all be possible?.
What is it? Amway? I'm sure Englishman will be chaffing at the bit..............
Marilyn
sometimes, i try to be sad.. as the sun sets low, turning the rugged hills of arizona into soft, purple, fuzzy-looking rumpled cones, dappled in the red-orange reflections of failing sunlight, i stand upon a hill.
i try to reflect on what could have been.. i could have been part of a family that was close -- a family that hugged, laughed and cried together, always.
a family that strove not to take everything personally, but to see that even our attacks, especially our attacks, are projections of our own insecurities.
Mike, even non dub families have their problems. Although I am shunned by my siblings I tend to think that we wouldn't have got on that well any way. One of my brothers married a woman that is twisted and my sister married an asshole. They are dubs but this could have happened in the real world too. Even if I'd stayed a dub, I would never have liked two of my siblings partners. Almost a relief not to have to associate with them. :-) At least this way I get to choose my company.
Also I learned the lesson of your post many, many years ago. Someone pointed out that I have a lovely husband and two great kids. On the scheme of things that's not too bad.
Marilyn
since we are listing the best 3 things in life, i thought it would be interesting to list 3 things that you did and regret or things that are/were the worst in your life.
1. lack of friends growing up a jw; there just were not any.
no one liked jw's.
Frenchy :-(
hugs,
Marilyn
since we are listing the best 3 things in life, i thought it would be interesting to list 3 things that you did and regret or things that are/were the worst in your life.
1. lack of friends growing up a jw; there just were not any.
no one liked jw's.
1. Loss of normal family ties because of the WT
2. My mothers breast cancer
3. not being able to organise my life to live o/s with my husband
Englishman - if you stupid morons in the UK hadn't encouraged Neighbours the stupid program would have died long ago. It's all your fault!!!!!! Besides, how does a country renowned for it's theatrical brilliance produce a program like Easter Enders!
Marilyn
yes, i would like to introduce a long standing friend of mine who has stopped attending meetings.
he missed out on education opportunities because he pioneered at 16. he stopped when he was 24. by then it had taken its toll.
it had cost him his marriage.. isp
Hi Rummy, Welcome. I am sure you will learn a great deal here. Mostly people are very nice. Some are a bit bad tempered and some are a bit crude and some ....... oh well, you will soon learn the ropes.
best wishes
Marilyn
after all, i've read franz's books and have seen all too often the way jws' normal familial emotions are rendered dead, inactive when one of their family members leaves the religion either through being dfd or by daing.. back in october 2001 i sent two gifts to my uncle and aunt in detroit.
they stopped having contact with me except for a thank-you letter when i did a similar thing about one year previously.
i know that this recent gift was received as the on line ups tracking link showed the recipient's last name.
John, we all know what it feels like. I think you have to remember that they don't know what they are doing. They really don't. Unfortunately we do, and by our standards, their behavior stinks. You'll calm down after a few days. I always do. Bummer though ain't it?
Marilyn
how can i sum up how it went?
in a word...
aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
It's like a family my arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Since when have any of us kicked our kids out for not contributing? Geez the streets would be awash with kids! What a crock. It's exactly not like a family. Families forgive and put up with and turn a blind eye and are there when they are needed. I hope you will make them return to this issue tonight. YOU WERE SEVENTEEN when you made a committment. It doesn't count. Jesus was 29 ?? when he made a committment. Doesn't that tell them something? Shunning people for thinking differently to themselves is barbaric and it's ungodlike!
Notice though how this nice guy, as you called him, turned into a robot when push came to shove? I've experienced that a number of times. They are nice until you threaten their belief system - then they switch on to auto-play!
Well you're getting what you wanted so I guess you are please. I jsut hate letting them play their stupid games.
my wife has been depressed each time we see our jw friends.
she doesn't want to see them anymore, because it reminds her of what she left behind, and it makes her feel bad.. i've offered to go back to meetings for a while to help her break away.
she never wants to go back, but her guilt and anger make her so uncomfortable around active jw's.....it's really bothering her.. any good books out there on breaking away from controlling organizations, especially concentrating on keeping the friendships but not the allegiance to the organization in question?
Ashi, This is so sad. I hope you tell her how much we all feel for her. You say you can travel the world, but have you? We have traveled the world since leaving and travel certainly helps put it all in perspective. Especially the 3rd world countries. Getting away, along with seeing all the incredible people of other persuasions is humbling.
Also do you engage in a regular exercise regime? I believe exercise is very calming on the spirit - but it must be part of a very regular routine. It can give the day a purpose - for some strange reason.
Pity you don't have kids. They tend to take up the thoughts and energies of a woman. Though it's a bit of a drastic cure I know.
After I read C of C, I felt much more settled about my decision to leave - I presume she's done that.
Finally time is the only cure. Your wife reminds me of my daugher who is trying to recover from a broken romance. I think leaving the Org is very, very similiar to that. A lost love, as it were. Sometimes it's just time and readjustment from the sadness of what you thought you had. some people deal with change more easily than others. It's in that catagory of moving countries, divorce and death of a loved one. Find books about how people deal with these situations and you'll find information on how to help your wife.
scientists say methuselah's age should be attainable by research.
in not too distant future - because of findings from icelandic.
gene pool.. http://thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=135692002.
I also think that possessing the right gene is all well and good, but if you abuse your body, it won't make that much difference. I give you this example: Take Japanese women who immigrate to the US. Within their life time, their chances of getting breast cancer increases over the rate of the women left living in Japan. And their American born and raised daughters end up having the same risk of getting breast cancer as the rest of the American women. One woman in eight. This more or less demonstrates that exposure to western diet and lifestyle over rides genetic predisposition. Women who live in Japan on a traditional Japanesse diet have a very low risk of getting breast cancer - even in the industrial cities and places like Hiroshema. I have also read that western women who move to low breast cancer counties have a lower rate of breast cancer than if they had stayed the high breast cancer countries.
I do have a question though? What brings about a good gene in the first place. As in way back? Eating and living right for the body or did God hand them out?
Marilyn
i remember skimming through a thread a while back that seemed to be some of your favorite songs and i thought i'd share one that has recently touched me.. its called 'i refuse to be lonely'.... i cant hold you.
cant hold you to the promises you made.
you wont be here tonight.
Oh flower, you're just trying to cheer me up!!!!
marilyn