in the thread about the wt in russia, maze made the assertions below.. .
jehovah's witnesses as an organization acts as a protection to the family unit.
andthe lie that jehovah's witnesses ruin families is apostate poison.. to aviod derailing that thread, i ask maze to defend them here.. my experience is that the jw religion destroyed my brothers' marriage.
You guys have to remember that Maze is a troll here who keeps making new accounts to confuse some who he is. S/he has been here for a long time under different names so it's not like s/he cares to debate on a logical level. These people are here to stir shit up without regard for the truth as truth is not found in them but deception.
No, that has nothing to with my user name. Try again.
the article that caught my eye as i was thumbing through it was on page 18 entitled "a peaceable people defend their good name".
this was all about the issues being addresssed in russia and how the j.w.
's were being oppressed/repressed.. but if you look in the box to the left under "a note to the citizens of russia", you will see that they quote the scripture in luke 12:2 "there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and secret that will not become known.".
Sexual immorality above all threatens family life. If the family unit had anything to do with what's motivating the Russian government, why don't they outlaw pornography?
the article that caught my eye as i was thumbing through it was on page 18 entitled "a peaceable people defend their good name".
this was all about the issues being addresssed in russia and how the j.w.
's were being oppressed/repressed.. but if you look in the box to the left under "a note to the citizens of russia", you will see that they quote the scripture in luke 12:2 "there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and secret that will not become known.".
If an organization came into my country and destroyed hundreds of thousands of families I would consider it an enemy of the society I was mandated to protect.
I would not consider them to be "A Peaceable People" after surveying the tremendous amount of damage done to my society and all other societies around the world. I do not think anyone should be "free" to destroy society through shattering once wholesome family units who are residing in it. In my opinion there is no "Good Name" to protect.
Instead, God's name, Jehovah, is being profaned.
I do not know however, if that is the reason for the Russian opposition to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
Try this using Google:
Jehovah's Witness Destroyed Family
Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization acts as a protection to the family unit.
If any man is reaching out for an office of overseer, he is desirous of a fine work. The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach, not a drunken brawler, not a smiter, but reasonable, not belligerent, not a lover of money, a man presiding over his own household in a fine manner, having children in subjection with all seriousness; (if indeed any man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of God’s congregation?) not a newly converted man, for fear that he might get puffed up [with pride] and fall into the judgment passed upon the Devil. Moreover, he should also have a fine testimony from people on the outside, in order that he might not fall into reproach and a snare of the Devil. 1 Timothy 3:1-7
Nevertheless, also, let each one of you individually so love his wife as he does himself; on the other hand, the wife should have deep respect for her husband. Ephesians 5:33
What at times happens, is someone will turn their back on the Truth, make a mess out of their family life and out of bitter selfishness blame the whole thing on Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't know if you remember brotherdan, but when abandoned Jehovah's Organization he started harassing his wife who was still a Witness. I've been associated with Jehovah's Witnesses for over thirty years. I know exactly what goes on there. The lie that Jehovah's Witnesses ruin families is apostate poison.
sorry if this redundant.. my first guest unflaked.
there was a misunderstanding with regard scheduling.
he is kind of a busy guy.
So apostates are having another feud with their “brethren?” I'm not sure how homosexuality factors into the situation. Maybe someone could elaborate?
"really cool discussions about homosexuality"
Are these discussions physical or philosophical?
...crazy ppl...
the article that caught my eye as i was thumbing through it was on page 18 entitled "a peaceable people defend their good name".
this was all about the issues being addresssed in russia and how the j.w.
's were being oppressed/repressed.. but if you look in the box to the left under "a note to the citizens of russia", you will see that they quote the scripture in luke 12:2 "there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and secret that will not become known.".
Russia, the Soviet Union and the Bolsheviks have a long standing history of attacking religion and the church.
The Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College Why did the Bolsheviks attack religion and the Church?
They persecuted the church because they believed it was pro-monarchist and because they believed it was spreading superstition [i.e., belief in God] rather than scientific knowledge. They wanted to try to remove religion altogether, and for many reasons. Among them, of course, ideologically they saw religion as a competitor. Also, religion teaches us to love our fellow human beings. To the contrary, the driving emotional force in communism was hatred, not love. Hatred of certain classes in particular. They preached hatred.
The Stalinist apparatus usurped political power from the Soviet working class, betrayed the ideals of the October Revolution and carried out many of the greatest crimes of the twentieth century.
There are still traces of the corrupt Stalinist apparatus in the modern Russian government. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rs.html Russia's long-term challenges include a shrinking workforce, a high level of corruption, difficulty in accessing capital for smaller, non-energy companies, and poor infrastructure in need of large investments.
Seeing that you're from North Carolina, do you really want a corrupt government here so they'll persecute Jehovah's Witnesses? You reflect thinking that is uneducated and warped.
this is the first part where the eldubs refuse to do the honourable thing.
http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?cat=1&newsid=109303.
...and here is the even sadder conclusion........ http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?cat=1&newsid=109359.
The purpose for a judicial committee is to determine if a person is repentant.
Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock, 1991, pp. 114
Judgment Related to Repentance
Elders must be able to discern genuine repentance on the part of the wrongdoer. (w81 9/1 pp. 24-6; it-2 pp. 770-4 )
Genuine repentance is vital for wrongdoers because it is the first step leading back to God. (Rom. 2:4)
It is particularly important to be sure genuine repentance exists in cases of repeated sin, a practice of sin.
If gross sin extended over a long period of time, particular care should be exercised in determining the genuineness of the repentance. (w81 9/1 p. 26)
Is the person cooperative? When questioned, are his answers forthright?
If it wasn't for this proceeding, this added feature of the criminal prosecution in a court of law wouldn't be an option as it wouldn't exist, that's why it is privileged information.
http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm
Further, we regularly review our procedures to ensure that they are in compliance with the law.—Romans 13:1.
Keep in mind, the elders are not eye witnesses, they're witnesses to a confession. If it became federal or state law that the elders must testify in court, they'd also have to read a person their rights if anything they say can and will be used against them in a court of law.
check proverbs 13:22--.
one who is good will leave an inheritance to sons of sons, and the wealth of the sinner is something treasured up for the righteous one.. .
bear in mind that this comes right from their own bible!
"the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger"
What does this mean?
check proverbs 13:22--.
one who is good will leave an inheritance to sons of sons, and the wealth of the sinner is something treasured up for the righteous one.. .
bear in mind that this comes right from their own bible!
it-2 p. 811 Righteousness
Benefits of Righteousness. God loves the righteous and cares for them. David wrote: “A young man I used to be, I have also grown old, and yet I have not seen anyone righteous left entirely, nor his offspring looking for bread.” (Ps 37:25) Solomon said: “Jehovah will not cause the soul of the righteous one to go hungry, but the craving of the wicked ones he will push away.” (Pr 10:3) God is to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by Jesus Christ, and he will create “new heavens and a new earth” in which righteousness is to dwell. (Ac 17:31; 2Pe 3:13) Eventual possession of the earth is promised to the righteous; the wicked are to be cleared out of the earth as “a ransom” for the righteous, for as long as the wicked are in control, the righteous cannot have peace. And the possessions of the wicked will go to the righteous, as the proverb states: “The wealth of the sinner is something treasured up for the righteous one.”—Pr 13:22; 21:18.
No, the Bible doesn't mandate materialism.
However, those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge men into destruction and ruin. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains. 1 Timothy 6:9-10
How does WTWizard interpret 1 Timothy 6:9-10 as s/he miserably failed on Proverbs 13:22?
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/illumin.htm.
a satanic plot for a one world government.
the world conspirators: the illuminati.
What "higher purpose" is there to Bin Laden than getting laid with 72 virgins? Remember too that he was trained by the CIA as a buffer in the Middle East against the advancing Soviet Communist Regime. The US got bit in the butt by that action. The gain was only temporary.
I'm sorry, but resorting to a "numerology/occult" conspiracy? Are you now telling me you believe numerology is real? Or only that is has significance for the Illuminati?
There is no conspiracy theory, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt to further your arguement. Tell me where in the Bible it fortells one world government? The beast and the number 666? If your giving this explanation, your obviously not in line with mama org.
The Illuminati is simply one alleged occult secret society. All occult secret societies are united by one fundamental belief including societies that were predecessors to the Nazi Party.
Unholy Alliance, Peter Levenda, Avon Books, 1995:
Dear Reader: It is one of the more recurring facts of occult secret societies and their habit of superficially turning on their own current public patina when they sense opportunity presented by political wind blowing in a new direction, then simply resurfacing under a new nom-de-plume when the advantage of the situation has been taken. In order to detect and understand this it is necessary to have some background on the core theology of this occult battle. The essence of it is this, which we hope to expand on in the future: that the "God" of the Bible - Jehovah or Yahwah (YHWH) is not God but the jealous and vengeful Satan, and that Samuel (Satan) is the real God of light who is endeavoring to "free" man into "liberty" from the yoke of Jehovah who want's to keep us in ignorance. Hence the Serpent (or Dragon as they prefer to refer to him as) is the "God" of wisdom. This theology is always consistent, please refer to the belief system of the Gnostics, Mandeans, Goths, St. John Christians, et all. You will also find this completely agrees with the writing's of the Freemason's if you pursue some of the treatises of their more well known authors, as well as of course the accusations made against the Knights Templar. The occult religion of the Nazi's is entirely consistent with this. The objective is destroying the "yoke" of Jehovah and as the biggest advocate of Jehovah was the Jews then that is why they were singled out for special treatment. Of course there has been some Jewish sects who have incorporated elements of this heresy in their secret doctrines, such as the early Judeo-Gnostics and probably the infamous Benjamites. It is a very tangled tale but the important point to always remember is that the objective is not ascendency of whatever current public organizational device they are using but the ascendency of the idea; the idea that Samuel (Satan) is the God of light, liberty and wisdom, while Jehovah is the God of darkness, tyranny and ignorance.
These societies always turn on their public ideologies and resurface under new ideologies while maintaining the same core beliefs as described above.
Islamic fundamentalism is simply Western Christianity with some added conjecture; a new “prophet” (Muhammad) and a new makeshift edition to the Bible (Qur'an) while maintaining the same core beliefs as Christendom. My take is Osama Bin Laden was an intelligent mastermind unfettered by Islamic fundamentalism. I think he was an occultist.
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/illumin.htm.
a satanic plot for a one world government.
the world conspirators: the illuminati.
Well, let's forget all this trolling business now, shall we, and get back to topic.
Are you suggesting they will really rule the world? Tough luck.... rebelion always seeps in, look at Libya and all the Middle Eastern revolts. Or are you going to tell me that that's simply part of the Illuminati?
Why hasn't the Watchtower given such a response? Why are you jumping to your own conclusions? Your running ahead of mama org. Mama org talks about the kings of the north, south and the feet of iron and clay. In no way do they ever imply something such as this.
And please, do respond. Don't your own thread hanging, seeing as that's your usual MO. You create a thread, cause a ruckus, and then carelessly leave. Stick around, and we might actually have a meaningful discussion.
http://www.forbes.com/2001/09/14/0914whoisobl.html
Who Is Osama Bin Laden? His father, Mohammed bin Laden, was an impoverished peasant from Yemen who emigrated to Saudi Arabia after World War II. There he started a construction business, eventually winning the contracts for some of Saudi Arabia's most prized mosques and palaces, and developing a very close relationship with the Saudi royal family. He became one of the richest men in Saudi Arabia, possessing a fortune estimated in the billions of dollars; Osama bin Laden's share of this fortune is estimated at almost $300 million.
Why would he waste his fortune sponsoring terrorist organizations unless he was devoted to a higher purpose? Was that purpose really Islamic fundamentalism? Maybe to the actual terrorists, but the upper echelons of the terrorist organizations may be motivated by something very different. There was an alleged occult signature (numerology) on the World Trade Center terrorist attacks on 9/11.
Awake! 09/08/2002 9/8 p. 3 Numbers and You
Do numbers have hidden meaning? “Of course!” some exclaim, pointing to an intriguing example—the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
“The moment I heard the news,” says one numerologist, “I noticed the date: 9-11-2001.” The number 11 is generally considered to be one of the “master numbers” by numerologists. So numerology enthusiasts have compiled a list of various items related to the terrorist attack that point to the “master number” 11. This is just a portion of what they found:
The tragedy occurred on the date 9/11. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
September 11 was the 254th day of the year. 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
The airplane that hit the north tower was Flight 11.
That flight had 92 people on board. 9 + 2 = 11.
The airplane that hit the south tower had 65 passengers. 6 + 5 = 11.
The Twin Towers resembled the number 11.
In English the expression “New York City” has 11 letters.
Numerology—in which special significance is attached to figures, their combinations, and numerical totals—has been a widespread practice in Africa, Asia, and the Americas. Why the allure? According to one Web site, decoding the letters of the alphabet used in names—one popular aspect of numerology—“yields accurate information concerning personality, nature, qualities and shortcomings.” According to this source, studying our “date of birth uncovers our life path, with its joys and trials.”
Are these claims true? Or could there be hidden dangers in the metaphysical study of numbers?
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1533.cfm
THE OCCULT POWER OF NUMBERS
We can see already that this disaster contains a huge occult signature. Once you understand how this tragedy is undergirded by elevens, you will understand that the Illuminati has carefully placed its fingerprints all over this event. Why would they do this? They would want to hide the truth from the masses, while communicating it to the elite occultists all over the world.
