Posts by Matty

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When JW's Can't Pigeon Hole A Situation....

by Englishman in

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......it puts them into a state of disequilibrium.. take, for example, the case of someone who has been disfellowshipped from the organisation.

heads will nod knowingly and wisely if that person should:.

do drugs.. become alcoholic.. become promiscuous.. such is the price paid for someone who "turns his back on jehovah".

Matty

Thanks Eman. You've put forward some thoughts here that have made me re-evalaute all the people I know who have "left the truth".

I have often wondered recently how I would be thought of by my friends and family when I take the plunge and leave it all behind - and those thoughts terrify me to the extent that I've been thinking of putting it off...again!

I don't plan on ever doing drugs, becoming a raving boozer or becoming promiscuous - I don't believe that JWs have a monopoly on morals - they just think they do! All I want is to get out asap. How about faking my own death?

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80 Questions

by teejay in

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1. who is the true god?.

2. what kind of god is jehovah?.

4. what does the bible mean when it says that jehovah requires our exclusive devotion?.

Matty

Whoa! There's a little bit to discuss here isn't there?

All I can say is that when I was "doing the questions" - using the "Our Ministry" book (Others will remember the Organization or the Lamp book). I felt the need, not to answer them from my own heart - but to give the answers I was "expected" to give. I wonder how many here felt the same?

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Some Antis are just as bad as JW's

by DIM in

specifically i am talking about the "apostates" or antis who plaster cars or send people things in the mail with the truth about "the truth".

to me, this seems exactly like the jw's banging on doors on a saturday morning.

exactly the same thing, just from the other end.

Matty

As per usual, everyone has put my thoughts across more eloquently than I could. It appears that picketing conventions may possibly do more harm than good. As a method of putting new people off though, it seems that it sometimes works. However, I think it can make witnesses dig themselves in deeper – “Is that what people are like when they leave the truth – they look a little nutty!” is the thought that will go though their minds. JWs are pack animals, you go to their territory, don’t expect them to listen to you – firstly they will have been charged up with a heavy dose of indoctrination, so even the ones that are normally wavering will have an extra charge of zeal; and secondly, they will have to create a good impression to their peers – so those carefully produced leaflets will go straight in the bin without being looked at. Get them on their own, and appeal to their reason and you will have more success.

Currently, more people are leaving the organization than they ever have before. However, when I was growing up, during the time that there were massive increases, there were far more picketers at assemblies than there are now.

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The Nephilim - What can I say!

by Matty in

im sure nothing surprises the people who regularly post here.

but what really shocks me now is that as a child i genuinely believed some of the most preposterous, stupid and moronic things ever committed to papyrus.. take the nephilim.

well they were mutants.

Matty

Thanks Klaus - well, I had no idea that this thread would provoke such an interest! I must admit that my original post was a bit fluffy, but there are so many angles to this story that are worth investigating!

The logic of the story, the reason it was put there in the bible, the origins of the story – the parallels in different cultures – it’s all worth looking into more deeply. Thank you everybody for all your responses.

Jude 6 “And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.”

If there are any angels reading this - be warned!

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Some Antis are just as bad as JW's

by DIM in

specifically i am talking about the "apostates" or antis who plaster cars or send people things in the mail with the truth about "the truth".

to me, this seems exactly like the jw's banging on doors on a saturday morning.

exactly the same thing, just from the other end.

Matty

I can understand how you feel Devon - if it works, then go for it. Now, it’s getting toward the convention season. At a lot of conventions there are folk with banners, leaflets, megaphones and sometimes they even bring instruments to play, all of them are the "apostates" that DIM is speaking about.

How does everybody feel about picketing? Do you feel it’s an effective method to get people out of the organization? I’ll throw this open, and then I’ll give you my 2 cents tomorrow!

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The Nephilim - What can I say!

by Matty in

im sure nothing surprises the people who regularly post here.

but what really shocks me now is that as a child i genuinely believed some of the most preposterous, stupid and moronic things ever committed to papyrus.. take the nephilim.

well they were mutants.

Matty

The same Watchtower continues...

"However, the wicked angels did not die. Instead, they dematerialized their human bodies and returned to the spirit realm. Because of their disobedience, they were not allowed back into God’s family of righteous angels; nor were they permitted again to put on human bodies as they did in Noah’s day. Still, they continued to exercise a ruinous influence in the affairs of humankind, under the authority of “the ruler of the demons,” Satan the Devil."

The angels didn't rescue their mutant offspring though!

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Middle of the Night Thoughts

by teenyuck in

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i wish they were of sex...... as i lay in bed last night, feeling like an alien was in my stomach, i thought of a few things.

since i seem to be posting fluff all the time, i decided to put my thoughts on to paper.

1. subjection-i saw this posted somewhere in the last few days on another jw only board.

Matty

The headship principle sucks for men too!

Can you imagine how it must feel to a man born and raised a JW, who is constantly aware that there are certain standards to be kept?

Most sisters will want to look at your record card before dating you - and why aren't you a Ministerial Servant at least?

In a relationship, you are supposed to be totally in charge from day one. How does this feel for someone who is really shy, and finds it difficult to take the lead? Pressure Pressure Pressure. I hated being such a loser!

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The Nephilim - What can I say!

by Matty in

im sure nothing surprises the people who regularly post here.

but what really shocks me now is that as a child i genuinely believed some of the most preposterous, stupid and moronic things ever committed to papyrus.. take the nephilim.

well they were mutants.

Matty

TR - I just love the way some elders minds tick over - I can well believe it! I guess the Abominable Snowman is one as well!

Its amazing how the Watchtower uses other references to similar beings to make out these dudes really existed!

Watchtower 1st February 1994
“It is noteworthy that these events later found expression in the legends of ancient civilizations. For example, a 4,000-year-old Babylonian epic describes the superhuman exploits of Gilgamesh, a mighty, violent demigod whose “lust [left] no virgin to her lover.” Another example, from Greek legend, is the superhuman Hercules (or Heracles). Born to Alcmene, a human, and fathered by the god Zeus, Hercules set out on a series of violent adventures after killing his wife and children in a fit of madness. Although such tales were greatly distorted as they passed from generation to generation, they tie in with what the Bible says about the Nephilim and their rebellious angelic fathers.”

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The Nephilim - What can I say!

by Matty in

im sure nothing surprises the people who regularly post here.

but what really shocks me now is that as a child i genuinely believed some of the most preposterous, stupid and moronic things ever committed to papyrus.. take the nephilim.

well they were mutants.

Matty

Marilyn, those Angels were a bit dim - if they turned themselves into the fairer sex then they could have experienced some of those fine MO's you ladies have! It just goes to prove that the bible is written from a very human and a very male perspective.

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Its not a religion, its a business

by joelbear in

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think about it.. you have to be interviewed (baptismal prep questions).

you have to enter a contract (the two baptismal questions).

everyone has a job description and job requirements (ministerial servants, elders, co, po, pioneer, publisher).

Matty

Too true joelbear.

Also you have to fill a timesheet (Field Service Report), which you have to fill in to get your spiritual credits. And then you have an Annual Performance Appraisal (Shepherding Call), where you are told how well you are doing, and if necessary why you haven't had that promotion you've been hoping for.