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  Shunning is the big story

  by joelbear in

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  i just read the story about the family in oregon, gone forever, because of the pressure of shunning.. in my opinion, shunning is the big story about jehovah's witnesses.

  shunning and the fear of shunning is what enables the control of victims of child abuse.

  shunning is what destroys families.

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  MavMan

  Lisa, in a perfect world you would be right. The problem is that this is not a perfect world. A wrongdoer is disfellowshipped because the congregation needs to be cleansed in the eyes of Jehovah. It is not a "time out" as if saying, o.k. you are disfellowshipped for 6 months and then you come back. No, the person must be repentant and must have turned from his sinning path.

  I have not decided to clean up my life because I was disfellowshipped, but because I love Jehovah and I want to please him. But how did I realize this? Because the disfellowshipping was such a shock to me that it made realize what is more important.

  Shunning creates lying, extortion, reviling in the form of gossip and a number of other forms of unkindness.

  Joel, you can't honestly say this about every case. I'm sure it happens in some congregations. But overall it does not. Have you not been present where a disfellowshipped person is reinstated? Brothers and sisters hugging, crying with joy.

  Moral power comes from God and morality is therefore a personal issue between God and each individual.

  This is true and most Witnesses will agree with you. But, what about when it involves the congregation? There are many examples in the Bible where the actions of one individual would affect the whole nation of Israel. The congregation must deal severely with those that are unrepentant and do not abandon their sinful ways.

  I have a very high set of ethics that center around honesty and kindness.

  And you are to be commended for this. You are very kinds in your posts on this board. I know you are making an effort to be accepted by Jehovah. But we can not just excuse ourselves and ignore his laws.
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  SHUNNING- Oregonian Article-HUGE!

  by messenger in

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  http://oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/front_page/101671540232151251.xml.

  shunning in spotlight .

  wendy y. lawton .

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  MavMan

  Good article. I think it's balanced in showing both sides of the story.
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  Shunning is the big story

  by joelbear in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just read the story about the family in oregon, gone forever, because of the pressure of shunning.. in my opinion, shunning is the big story about jehovah's witnesses.

  shunning and the fear of shunning is what enables the control of victims of child abuse.

  shunning is what destroys families.

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  MavMan

  i would encourage you to broaden your search past the "ex-witnesses" though. this site is not the end all be all of life outside of the jw org. id search other translations of the bible, historical accounts, dates, other religions, etc, etc.

  I am. I enjoy the translation "New Living Translation". The way it is laid out in English, it's easier to understand. I also compare the scriptures that I look up with the other translations used in "The Bible Gateway" at http://bible.gospelcom.net/

  I have read many things into the historical accounts. Some things I believe are exagerated like Rutherford's drinking. For example, everyday I drink half a glass of merlot before I go to sleep. I also enjoy a cold refreshing beer (specially in the Texas heat). Would this make me a drunkard 50+ years after my death? Well, what I'm saying is that I don't believe all the second, third, fourth hand stories. But at least I do look into it. Regarding dates, well I'm still looking into it. I think bottom line is Bible chronology vs. secular chronology, so then it's a choice of who to believe.

  Regarding the disfellowshipping issue and the shunning part, I do believe what the Bible says regarding it. That might come off as parroting JW doctrine, but to me it is clearly put in the Bible. I know Jehovah wants me to be clean (morally), and I do too because that brings me happiness.
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  Shunned from Sister's wedding reception PART 3

  by Quotes in

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  for part 1:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23578&site=3.

  for part 2:.

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  MavMan

  Could I add my thoughts?

  I think you should explain your view to your sister. From the messages, it is clear that she loves you very much and desperately wants to understand your view. After giving her your side of the story, then she will be able to decide, by herself, about you and your beliefs.

  I'm sorry if I'm out of line, I did not have a chance to read your previous posts on this topic.
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  Shunning is the big story

  by joelbear in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just read the story about the family in oregon, gone forever, because of the pressure of shunning.. in my opinion, shunning is the big story about jehovah's witnesses.

  shunning and the fear of shunning is what enables the control of victims of child abuse.

  shunning is what destroys families.

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  MavMan

  dubla: I understand what you are saying. You are making sense if viewed by those opposed to the Witnesses. If you want to call it parroting that's fine. I believe I am parroting Jehovah God when I say that discipline has lead me to stop serious sinning. In my case, maybe not in all cases, but in my case being disfellowshipped and alone has helped me. Now instead of relying on the friends, I am relying completely on Jehovah.

  If I were brainwashed, would I spend so much time here. I have learned many things, nothing has convinced me that Witnesses are not Jehovah's organization. At least not yet. I am looking into both sides of the story, the Witnesses and the ex-Witnesses. I am making sure of my beliefs and strengthening by faith.

  I am not the poster "discuss". I made an agreement with Simon that I would only post with one i.d., that's why I gave up "yoyomama". If I were to use another name again, I think Simon would axe me quickly.
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  About Dan Sydlik...

  by Patriot in

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  i was talking to one of my brother-in-laws about his time in bethel.

  he put in about 5 years.. anyway, i mentioned the post about lyman calling the new black brother "nigger", and he also said that it did not surprise him.. but what i found even funnier was the experience he had with dan.

  dan sydlik had been staying at the bossert hotel while his apartment was getting renovated.

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  though you were not there

  That's true Java but I know the man and he's the type that after you say something funny he'll punch you in the arm, know what I mean? But even at that any man can take it.

  Put a sock in it.

  No I will not. I can comment and post like the rest of them. And by the way, you sound like a little kid talking to another kid:

  kid#1 I can beat you up
  kid#2 Oh yeah, I know karate
  kid#1 Yeah well I'm, uh, uh a black belt
  kid#2 well, uhm, I'm a...

  shouldn't you be attending to your "wife" who had a "miscarriage" instead of questioning someone's integrity and trolling

  It's non of your business how I handle my affairs. Ever heard of working for a living? And why is it that if someone doesn't agree with some of the crap posted here, he is automatically labeled a troll?

  Amazing: That's hilarious. That's why I like Dan, he's not afraid of anybody or saying anything.
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  About Dan Sydlik...

  by Patriot in

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  i was talking to one of my brother-in-laws about his time in bethel.

  he put in about 5 years.. anyway, i mentioned the post about lyman calling the new black brother "nigger", and he also said that it did not surprise him.. but what i found even funnier was the experience he had with dan.

  dan sydlik had been staying at the bossert hotel while his apartment was getting renovated.

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  MavMan

  That's hilarious! Your bro must be a winmp!

  Dan is funny that way. I doubt it was a hard punch. But of course you can believe anything you want...
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  Shunning is the big story

  by joelbear in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just read the story about the family in oregon, gone forever, because of the pressure of shunning.. in my opinion, shunning is the big story about jehovah's witnesses.

  shunning and the fear of shunning is what enables the control of victims of child abuse.

  shunning is what destroys families.

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  MavMan

  this senseless statement is expected coming from you.

  It is not senseless at all. I am actually referring to a statement that is quiet often mentioned on this forum about the happiness that is found outside the organization. My analysis is just logical.

  but i cant think of too many people that would choose to be shunned by their family members and friends.

  You are right. I certainly am not happy about being shunned, but I also see how it has helped me come to my senses. After being disfellowshipped, I have abandoned my sinning path. Now I see the value of being inside the organization and I miss the loving friends that I've lost. Shunning is the strongest form of discipline. In my case, it is what I needed to wake up and brake free from Satan's hold.

  how would this shunning be such a relief to them?

  It is not a relief. In ancient Israel (following the Mosaic law), fornicators, drunkards, apostates were put to death. Shunning is a more loving discipline comapred to death.
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  A little to late, and Amazing Re: annulments

  by Yadira Angelini in

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  a little to late, and amazing re: annulments.

  i apologize to all of you who responded to my 'craving for attention' post for not responding on time.

  i was to sick and it's kind of late now to give all the responses.. you certainly gave me the courage to even post again and i already know it's ok if i don't get responses, i'm healed, (you help).. i started to compose a line to each of you, but just know that i love you and i appreciate what you did to me: get confident on the forum and post and practice.. to amazing, willy_think responded to your questions about the annulments and she did a good job.

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  MavMan

  Please correct me if I'm understanding this wrong. Are you saying that if I am not sincere unless I go along with the accusation that the Watchtower is a false prophet?

  That's an odd request...
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  Shunning is the big story

  by joelbear in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just read the story about the family in oregon, gone forever, because of the pressure of shunning.. in my opinion, shunning is the big story about jehovah's witnesses.

  shunning and the fear of shunning is what enables the control of victims of child abuse.

  shunning is what destroys families.

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  MavMan

  I just read the story about the family in Oregon, gone forever, because of the pressure of shunning.

  Joel, you are saying this as if it were a fact. It is only an apostate theory that will never be proven. For people that constantly ask for hard facts, you sure do believe easily when it's a theory without fact against Witnesses.

  Most apostates and ex-witnesses here say that they are happy to be out of the organization, so if this is soooo true why the need to kill yourself? Does happiness lead to suicide and mass killing of your family? Is there something wrong here...?

  Joel, don't take this as an attack but only as my personal opinion on this matter.